First time I've seen PCGS spell it out... Slide Marks.

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Um. Wut?

Those are wiping/brushing hairlines.

 

They're curved, so I would agree.

 

+1

 

Cool variety with the Ugly 3!

 

Slide marks? Look like abrasions to me. And, they could omit "3" in the bottom line of the description on the label.

 

I actually had the same thought when I first saw the coin....maybe it could be a special add-on service (ugly vs pretty)

 

I agree. Try to get "slide marks" on the relief and field next to the relief.

Now, I'm going to disagree. IMO, the sooner folks stop throwing around the words "harshly cleaned" the better for all of us.

Any abrasion to a coin leaves lines. Even a little hardly noticeable rub on the high points has microscopic lines. The lines from the type, amount, and severity of the abrasion look differently. It is a matter of degree.

I have never seen "slide marks" put on a label before either! IMHO, it is stupid! In the first place (by actual experimentation) it is extremely difficult for a plastic album slide to hurt a coin in a board. Even when chocolate cookie crumbs are inserted on top of the coin and the slide is worked. Silica etc. are more abrasive and it is possible that some impurity could get into the folder in such a way that a slide can cause a hairline but most coins are below the level of the slide on both sides. I have not been able to scratch a coin yet by trying (nothing out of the ordinary like dumping sand grains into the hole w/the coin).

The big problem I see at every TPGS except for PCI (for our Red Label detail slabs we called things what they were: Polished, buffed, harshly cleaned, etc.) is they call any degree of abrasion: "CLEANED!" This is pure crap to keep the collector dumb and the dealers happy. A polished coin is NOT cleaned.

Additionally, ALL COINS WITH HAIRLINES ARE NOT CLEANED!

At one time, I believed any hairlines on a coin indicated improper cleaning. I learned that is not the case. I have been trying to get the word "hairlined" used on labels for a coin such as this to no avail. IMO, this coin would qualify for that label. Note that the ANA Grading guide allows a MS-61 coin to have continuous hairlines (as this one) over its entire surface. When the hairlines get more pronounced than on this coin, then call it cleaned. That is still a long way from "harshly cleaned."

The most important thing is to recognize that the surfaces of this coin are both worn and no longer original.

 

I have from ANACS.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1927-S-Pea...0-Details-Slide-Marks-Choice-BU-/190868999296

It's possible that either they or PCGS or both were referring to a coin that literally slide across something but only they could answer that.

The others are more descriptive than just cleaned overall and have seen polished etc on labels. As you know some of it does depend on the level of detail the submitter requests on a label

 

This is a perfect well-informed comment.

 

A coin like that deserves a grade, so they got a little generous...

 

I disagree. Cleaning does more than leave hairlines; it can significantly impair the luster beyond the way that other mechanical damage (e.g. marks from circulation, etc.) does.

Agreed.

 

Mechanical Error? Wrong "genie" code?

 

So is it a matter of semantics with the intent to preserve the purported value of the coin? Does a coin marked with slide marks more valuable than one marked clean?

I do like you saying not all coins with hairlines are cleaned. To say a coin is seems to demote it's worth in the eyes of the collector, while it may still have some value despite it. Of course the surfaces may not be original, which does affect the value of the coin in the eyes of many.

 

Lose the label. Get away from "cleaned." Look at the coin. There are hairlines on it. Bid it accordingly...

 

Abrading a coin with your fingers leaves hairlines. Continuing to do so will impair the luster. I’m sure you would agree that is not cleaning.

 

I think "hairlined" should be used. PCI used it with the red label holders.

 

I think this is the safest way; note the problem objectively and let the buyer sort it out.

 

It would take a lot of mechanical manipulation with your finger to dull a coin significantly. There are grey areas with everything, but I think you can form reasonable boundaries between cleaning and other issues. Another difference would be the degree of impairment and the surface area involved.

I suppose is also depends on what your definition of "cleaned" is. Does it assume the use of a detergent or chemical? Does mere wiping count? If the latter, you could argue that rubbing a finger on it to remove debris from the surface is analogous to using a cloth and could count in the right set of circumstances.