Hadrian Aureus: A Tale of Subtle Differences

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by IdesOfMarch01, Sep 17, 2016.

  1. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I would have said #1. That is a terrifying fake. I'm pleased to see that the auction company is so ethical that they contacted you and resolved it proactively. That says a lot.
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I had no idea.

    I leaned towards Coin 1 based solely upon the overall softness of the devices, but didn't pick up on the differences in the lettering.

    And had I not been told up front that one was a forgery, I would of course have been none the wiser.

    Needless to say, high grade aureii are way beyond the realm of my experience and budget.
     
  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nailed it!!

    ... glad to hear that you're getting your money back
     
  5. noname

    noname Well-Known Member

    Why do all 4 coins have a raised spot of gold at 8 o'clock on the reverse?
    Right on top of the rabbit
     
  6. noname

    noname Well-Known Member

    I'd say coin 1, that coin looks suspiciously smooth, all the other coins have blemishes.
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    noname => I'm leaning towards coin #2 (side-bet?)

    ;)
     
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  8. Amentia

    Amentia New Member


    Is it 100% sure that the crossbar in the A is not only missing due to slippage on the reverse ? There is slippage on the next letters to the A, the NIA letters.

    I have found another (picture 2) example with with slippage on these letters ANIA and there the is the crossbar missing due to slippage.

    Imho coin 2 is authentic!

    Coin 1 is a cast fake, look at the A of Hispania which is different from all other examples of this dies and the wear is not convincing, wear on the protrait should be in realation to the wear on the letters which is not the case.
    Correct wear would mean more worn and flatted letters to be in realation to the heavy wear on the portrait which has removed Hadrians eybraw completely.
     

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  9. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    Has to be #1 - it is muddy compared to the rest - look like an impression of the other three. Once you spot it, it is clear.
     
  10. Tanso

    Tanso New Member

  11. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member

    Coin 1 immediately looked "off" to me, because of the very flat fields. However if it was offered by a reputable auction house I probably would have thought it was just due to the lighting.

    Coin 3 is possibly the authentic host. The flan shapes are extremely similar.
     
  12. Tanso

    Tanso New Member

    It is a pity that I missed this very interesting post. I contacted IdesOfMarch01 to warn him that his coin probably was not a fake in my opinion, but of course I can not assure that without checking it in my hands. The biggest mistake is to consider that Coin 2 is from the same dyes than the others, which is not correct. The dyes are very close but not exactly the same. In fact, Amentia showed a coin (supposed to be authentic and sold in the same Auction House, NAC) with the same dyes (same S and A) of the Coin 2, both coins look authentic. There is a third coin of the same dyes in the Museum of London, which it is supposed to be authentic too.

    Coin 1 has a long pedigree that you can check in the last auction of this month:

    https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=5927&category=197776&lot=4948794


    So, in principle, there is no doubt that Coin 1 is authentic, the strange appearance can be due to pasted or old dyes.

    According to my database, in my opinion there is not any fake yet, and hopefully never. Well, there is a replica but of very low quality.
     
  13. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    Let me clarify that coin #2 (my coin) was determined by the auction house to be a forgery, NOT coin #1. I didn't make this very clear in my previous posts in this thread.
     
  14. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Coin #1 has a dot between AVG and COS on the obverse. That dot is missing from the other three.
     
  15. Tanso

    Tanso New Member

    It does not look a point to me. It is an excess of metal coming from the adjacent C (it can be seen easier in another picture of the same coin: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=5927&category=197776&lot=4948794). Anyway, it is not significant because there are several excesses of metal between SIIIP, however it can be explained as I said before because it seems that the dyes were worn out. And the most important is that the authenticity of coin #1 is not questioned, but #2.
     
  16. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

  17. Tanso

    Tanso New Member

    Thanks Okidoki for the link, very interesting. Finally, the coin #1 was tooled but authentic. I can not see any picture in the link, original images from NAC 2000 would be very nice but that is another story, let's focus on coin #2.
     
  18. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    If someone had put a gun to my head I would have said #1.

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