Chuckle of the day

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Aleph, May 25, 2019.

  1. HaleiwaHI

    HaleiwaHI Active Member

    Lol, I just did. Well, all he has to do is sell just one and he's paid for a night on the town. You could buy this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Old-Ma...156279?hash=item5465156eb7:g:P6YAAOSwI61b1xON or go to goodwill where you can get the same thing for $3. But he does give you the option of $39 for 24months to pay off your investment! :D
     
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  3. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    If you don't mind my asking, who are some of those people?

    Though I'm not into Ancients yet, I've definitely been into Far East coins, including French Indo China Piasters, for some time. So far, I've relied on my knowledge, which is not that great, and my innate ability to spot the fakes and just not take a chance on buying them. So far, I've been either good at it, or lucky, or both, and haven't bought, and kept, any fakes.
    Whenever I receive a coin that could be suspect, I take it to my local Houston Jewelry Exchange and ask them to test it with their XRF gun.
    I bought a Piaster that when tested, turned out to only be 25% silver. I immediately returned it to the seller for a full refund.
    The only other fake I bought, I bought on purpose. It is a Chinese "Fatman" coin. The eBay seller, smallsword, pictured it on a scale as weighing far under the correct weight, which of course screamed fake, but after conversing with the seller and being assured that his gun tested it as silver, I bought it anyway, for a very good price, and when I got it, I tested it, also with the aforementioned gun, and it was indeed 90% silver.
    So, by being careful, and lucky, I've had success buying Oriental coins on eBay.
     
  4. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

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  5. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    Sadly, the seller of this amazingly rare coin has just declined my generous offer of $1.00. Maybe I'll hit him with another offer...say, $1.25?
     
  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

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    A couple others I was thinking of apparently don’t sell on eBay anymore. All other sellers are either irregular, overpriced, or some/all of the coins in their inventories are fake.
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Yeah, he declined my offer of $5.00. So I sent him a new offer of $5.01. We'll see what happens.

    It may take a while, increasing my offers at $.01 a time, but maybe I'll eventually discover what his best price is.
     
  8. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Sometimes, there are coins on ebay that make me chuckle and wonder at the same time:

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    Just a couple of comments
    :
    - Schwäbisch Hall is not in Austria. To get from Hall to the Austrian border will take you about 5 hours, provided you have a fast car and there are no traffic jams...
    - The date range is wrong: 1156–1396 AD would have been more realistic.
    - The price is pure fantasy. On a good day, this coin might sell for $40. On a very good day.
    - Could we please have a catalogue reference?
    - I won't even start to wonder why someone would attach a label like MS64 to a medieval coin...

    The text that apparently comes with the slab has even greater comical value:
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    Again, just the basics:
    - Again: not Austria, definitely not Austria!
    - The hand on this coin is not the manus dei but a glove representing the right to mint. This information can be found by looking at the respective catalogue. Or simply by entering "hand heller" into google. Still, they produced a great fantasy story. (Also, I did a write-up on the type, in case you want to know more.)
    - Medieval art is full of depictions of God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Medieval theologians, at least in the period in which this coin was minted, had no problem with depicting God as long as these images were not taken to be accurate representations. Whoever did this write-up might have confused some world religions...
    - This coin has precious little to do with the Habsburgs. Okay, there were Rudolf I (r. 1273–1291) and Albrecht I (r. 1298–1308), but the great time of the Habsburgs came way after this coin was struck. If the Habsburgs had any influence on the Hall mint, it must have been rather minimal.

    I hope NGC Ancients had nothing to do with this. Though I am not a fan of slabbing, I respect their numismatic expertise.
     
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  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Depressing the depths to which the human race can sink. Caveat Emptor.
     
  10. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Stop being so miser please. Make him a serious offer, like I just did. I offered him an exchange : his very rare young Julius Caesar against this unique pure gold aureus of Titus discovered in a little town in China...
    Waiting for his answer...
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  11. Trebellianus

    Trebellianus VOT II MVLT III

    A digression of a digression but this is quite bemusing to me also. I know the grading of US issues is the fourth branch of science and the criteria are as rigorous and exact as you could wish for (but you can disregard them if your coin has the pretty purple toning, &c &c). How is this taken backwards to hammered issues? Do the grading houses maintain a philosopher who knows that the Schwäbisch Hall mint was producing soft strikes in 1284 and so another year's AU58 would be that year's MS62? Is there a table showing Hand Hellers with gradually increasing wear as the grade decreases? How many points do I lose if my otherwise minty Hand Heller has too many bag marks? And so on.
     
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  12. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I'll gladly pay you $100,000,000,000,000 for it. Just don't spend it all in one place. :rolleyes:

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  13. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    That's the million dollar question. I ask myself the same every time I see another slabbed medieval English penny. What's MS-63 vs MS-64 when you have a hammered coin as opposed to a machined coin. How in Earth do you determine that?
     
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  14. thomas mozzillo

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    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

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  16. HaleiwaHI

    HaleiwaHI Active Member

    I wonder how much this guy paid for these coins? And where does it say in the Bible that Jesus had long hair? I thought only the Nazarites had long hair.
     
  17. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    The Bible says nothing about how Jesus looked like or the length of his hair. The apostle Paul even wrote in his first letter to the Corinthians : “it is disgraceful for men to have long hair”. The earliest depiction of Jesus has been discovered in the city of Dura Europos, on a wall painting. It is dated early 3rd century AD. The image is kind of blurry, but he clearly has short hair and no beard. Exactly like the average roman citizen of the time.........

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  18. HaleiwaHI

    HaleiwaHI Active Member

    Yup, only Nazirites were not to cut their hair or drink wine, and Jesus was not a Nazirite. So he no doubt had his hair neatly clipped like any other Jewish male. (Numbers 6:2-7) But he evidently wore a beard, which seems to be attested to in a prophecy concerning his suffering.—Isaiah 50:6. But in the absence of any scriptural mention is probably overstating any accurate description.
     
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  19. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    NGC ancients doesn’t grade medieval.

    I do most of the medieval attributions now, but all hammered coins now get weights (at least the ones that cross my desk). This looks like it was done awhile ago by someone no longer with NGC.

    Barry Murphy
     
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