1944 s wheat penny with unknow marking

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  1. Bibsherr

    Bibsherr New Member

    i have a 1944 s wheat penny with unknown line marking on the reverse side of coin the coin also has a small indent on rim it can be seen from the reverse side middle right coin also has a grayish tone as well as copper color if anyone could give me some info on the markings would be great.
    thanks
    bibs
     

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  3. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    The photo has the appearance of a mix variation of the metal. Since 1944 was the year that " theoretically" the government melted copper shell casings for the coins. If true, some may not had been as cleaned as others so scavenged for use and caused such. But many dispute this as hearsay and that it was for patriotic reasons.

    from Wiki.
    In December 1943, the Treasury Department announced that the steel cent would be discontinued after 1943, to be replaced with coins containing 95% copper and 5% zinc (pre-1943 cents contained the same percentage of copper but might also contain tin in place of some of the zinc). The Treasury also stated that some of the metal for the new coins would be obtained by melting down small arms ammunition shells.[47] However, numismatic writer Shane Anderson, in his study of the Lincoln cent, doubts that any shells were melted down, except perhaps ceremonially.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_cent
     
  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The side looks like it is damaged from a hit. The only line(s) I can see run from noon to six pm. They look like an improper ally mix, mesningbthe metals did not mix the way they should. We call them woodies. Yours looks confined to a small area on the reverse and that is normal but it can cover the entire surface of the coin.

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  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Although it is quite plausible for the Improperly Mix Alloy to run In a straight line parallel to the letters. I would sooner think that this effect on the OP's coin has more to do with Accidental Die Abrasion.
    http://www.error-ref.com/accidental-die-abrasion/
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I thought that but it doesn't look raised.
     
  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    This coin has been harshly cleaned IMO. The very unnatural and bright high spots on the obverse.
     
  8. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    It would not have to be raised. Its an Abrasion, not a gouge. With a ADA the rub need only be 1 or 2 thousands of an inch difference to change the surface of the die to a Polished (proof) type finish, which in turn changes the finish on the coin and will make it react differently to contamination at the surface of the coin.
    Note how the Lines are only on top half of coin seem to run under the design and not through the letters themselves as with Improperly Mixed Alloys. I have seen similar lines on a 1943 cent.
    Its good to have different views and knowledge so others can learn and ask more questions.
     
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  9. Bibsherr

    Bibsherr New Member

    Thank you all for the info. Very helpful the lines are a bit raised just so you know. thanks again
     
  10. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    There is correlated references in relation to melting down "war supplies"
    Supposedly after world war 2, many aircraft were striped and all the high grade aluminum and used to make pots and pans. (I heard that on the history channel about a week ago).

    conversely, apparently the gov't collected aluminum pots and pans to make aircraft.
    https://dorecycling.com/blog/2016/02/23/aluminum-recycling-during-ww2/

    French musical instrument makers supposedly used shell casings as a brass supply to make their musical instruments after the war. The reference exists across many industries, and conversely before the war the materials went the opposite direction.
     
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  11. Bibsherr

    Bibsherr New Member

    Even though the coin has been "harshly cleaned" will it hold any value and is it worth sending it in to get graded? newbie!
     
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