Agustus auerus

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Tlc, May 18, 2019.

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Is this a rare coin

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    3 vote(s)
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  1. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    Is this coin rare?
     

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Wildwinds says it is very rare.
     
  4. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

     
  5. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    Wildwinds? Have i got some money then ?
     
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  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Anything gold, Augustus and authentic is money. That's a beauty (if authentic - this kind of coin is far outside my personal experience).
     
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  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Like @Marsyas Mike says, if authentic, its worth a lot of money. How much, I have no idea since I cannot find an example for sale on Vcoins or any sold on CNG. I let my membership with acsearch laps, so I cannot look up prices realized. But I did find this one:
    https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/50/2272/2309616.m.jpg

    The description:
    Augustus (27 BC-AD 14). AV aureus (20mm, 7.95 gm, 2h). Spain, Colonia Patricia, ca. 25-22 BC. No legend, bare head of Augustus right / Capricorn flying right, holding globe over rudder; above, cornucopiae. Below, AVGVSTVS. RIC 125. Cohen 20. BMCRE 62 note *. Calicó 164 (S3). Well centered on a broad flan. NGC Choice VF 5/5 - 3/5. From the Lexington Collection of Jonathan K. Kern. Gaius Octavius, later known as Augustus, was born the morning of September 23, 63 BC, under the sign of Capricorn. Later in life, he placed great stress on his natal sign, placing it on his coins in both gold and silver. Three reasons suggest themselves as to why Augustus took this course: (1) Capricorn was associated with stern moral authority; (2) Capricorn is the sign through which the sun passes at winter solstice and is, in a sense, reborn, like the Roman state in Augustus' propaganda; (3) Capricorn, then as now, was associated with the planet and god Saturn. According to Roman mythology, Saturn had come to live in Italy when his son Jupiter had kicked him out of heaven, and the age in which Saturn ruled as king over Italy was a "golden age" of paradise on earth. Virgil took up this theme in his treatment of Augustus' reign as a return of the Saturnian age.
     
  8. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    If you want further information on your coin, including speculation on its authenticity, you need to supply the following:

    1. Weight in grams, to 1/10th of a gram (e.g., 8.2 gr.)
    2. Diameter in mm (approximate since coin isn't perfectly round)
    3. DETAILED information on how the coin came into your possession (e.g., something more detailed than "I bought it from a street vendor in Malibu, CA" or "My grandfather left it to me when he died")

    Of the above, #3 is the most important.
     
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  9. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    There is a modern forgery of this coin on forgerynetwork.com.
     
  10. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    Can i have the link please
     
  11. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    The Augustus legend is different from yours which is good. If you live int he States you would be advised to send it to David Sear for authentication. If you got it from eBay it is unlikely to be real. If you can give us the weight, that might also throw some light on it.

    http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=SyEmc5uPxZo=
     
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  12. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    I think its clipped , ive acid tested it and its 22ct+ but its 17mm one way 19mm the other and 6.4g
     
  13. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    An OP with a rare gold aureus he doesn't know anything about. I'll just go ahead and call it...fake. I mean, what are the odds? Unless OP had a wealthy uncle who collected coins and left this coin to him, what are the odds OP ends up with a genuine rare aureus he doesn't know squat about.
     
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  14. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    I found it metal detecting near a roman lead smelting area and roman garrison
     
  15. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    Whatever
     
  16. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Well, you could have said you found it metal detecting from the start....you do understand the average newbie doesn't just have a super rare and expensive coin that they know absolutely nothing about. That almost never happens. In 98,% of cases that turns out to be a forgery.

    I still think the portrait looks funny, but I don't know enough about these to tell if real or fake. Just because you found it metal detecting doesn't mean it's real. Send it to NGC Ancients or to another expert.
     
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  17. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    Looking back now yes i should of explained better , im just after advice so thats why i joined and posted it up
     
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  18. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    The thing is, a rare coin like that probably had few dies employed in the minting process as they weren't minted anywhere near the level of a denarius or sestertius. Some of these coins only have 10 or 12 known pairs of dies. So I bet you someone like David Sear could look at your coin and know right away if it is or isn't good. Spend the $50 or $60 and send it in. And if it does turn our to be real, you can probably sell it and buy yourself a whole collection of Roman and Greek coins (probably 100+ bronze and silver beauties) for the price you'll get from this coin.
     
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  19. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    If you found it metal detecting, your not in the States. Which country was it found in?
     
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  20. Tlc

    Tlc New Member

    In the uk
     
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  21. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    You do know about the PAS I hope? I am not sure who would be the best person in the UK to authenticate it. The BM doesn't do that any more. Possibly give the Ashmolean a ring.
     
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