Grade Opinions on New Capped Bust Halves

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by mark_h, Mar 29, 2008.

  1. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I really like these two coins. They look nicer in hand than the pictures(dealer or mine). So thanks Ben - I know I paid a little more from the dealer, but they are certainly worth it. So please provide a grade opinion. The overton numbers are in the picture titles, but they are 1819 O-107 R4 and 1828 O-113 R3.

    And for all those concerned about the carpet - you can see it is really beige. Look in the corners of the pictures. :) I was too lazy to take the coins out of the holder - have to go work on the yard.


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  3. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Someone has to have an opinion somewhere. :mouth:
     
  4. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    1819 VF 35
    1827 XF 45

    Read my tagline. : ) Nice pickups Mark.
     
  5. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    And it is worth it. :) In this case I am waffling between f/vf and vf/xf. So I thought I would some opinions to help me decide. Sometimes the CBH's get hard to determine wear from weak strike.
     
  6. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    Nice coins Mark! I would say VF-20/25 and VF-35!


    Frank
     
  7. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    VF-25/30
    EF-40/45

    Beautiful! :hammer:

    Ribbit :smile
     
  8. LSM

    LSM Collector

    I would grade the 1819 half VF 20. The 1828 has nice detail on the reverse and I would grade it XF 45. Very nice coins.

    Lou
     
  9. One Red Cent

    One Red Cent New Member

    I agree with the other opinions

    VF for the top one, and XF for the bottom one. I absolutely LOVE the bust half series'. Just a few years ago, you could pick up some excellent VF-XF's for about $45. A very underrated series I believe.
     
  10. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    VF 20 and XF 40

    Very nice coins as usual Mark.
     
  11. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    I'll say (1819 VF-35 or EF-40) and the (1828 XF-45). Beauties and I know you're proud of them. :)

    Take Care
    Ben
     
  12. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Thanks for all the opinions.
     
  13. HelloNewman

    HelloNewman Member

    newbie question

    Are the overton numbers for capped bust coins variety numbers like the VAM numbers are for Morgans and Peace dollars?
     
  14. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member


    Ehhhh... somewhat I guess, except they are not considered errors. The 450+ different Overton numbers for the Bust Half Dollar series are considered sub varieties for each year.

    Take Care
    Ben
     
  15. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Nice coins! I'm not sure on grade, but they sure are beauties, congrats. :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  16. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Ben,

    Morgan and Peace Dollars are given a VAM number for both Errors and Varieties! Is this not true for Bust Half Dollars as well with the Overton numbering?


    Frank
     
  17. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Yes, suppose you could say the same thing for CBHs; but whereas all Overton Varieties aren't really considered Errors, likewise all Errors aren't given unique Overton Variety numbers either. It's normally an Overton Number (O-101) and a letter suffix (A&B). :)

    For example purposes let's say you have an 1810, Capped Bust Half. Using Obverse Die A and Reverse Die B, you come up with (let's say Overton Variety O-101). After 10,000 coins were struck with the (A&B) dies a crack develops. The next 30,000 coins are considered an O-101B with the (O-101) becoming O-101-A.

    After 30,000 more coins are struck the dies are beginning show wear and deterioration. The cracks are becoming more and more prominent, this is known as a Late Die State (LDS). Finally the dies are in their Terminal Die State (TDS) and that last coin looks VASTLY worse than any other O-101-Bs and some specimens any even show some die rotation and clash marks, but they are still only 101-Bs considered then, to be struck from a Terminal Die... The last coin struck using dies A&B looks pretty rough and has some obvious defects not listed in the O-101-A or the O-101-B but that's what it is, an O-101-B. There are no O-101-Cs...

    Clear as Mud???

    Take Care
    Ben
     
  18. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I think I was a little hard on that first coin.
    After further review, VF 35 and XF 45.
     
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