Costly mistakes NGC rejects

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by John Hulgin, May 10, 2019.

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Would you have sent this to NGC, or was it just an amateur move?

  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    27.3%
  2. No~Amateur move

    16 vote(s)
    72.7%
  3. Not sure

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    I have been into coins for decades, but not ancient coins. I recently acquired a box of ancients and found some very valuable coins that definitely needed to be certified. Lets just say that education comes at a cost. Here are my rejects.
    #1 NERO AE SETERTIUS (26.48 G) IMG_10068.jpg IMG_10070a.jpg
     
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  3. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    #2 KINGDOM OF BACTRIA
    EUCRATEDES I
    AR TETRADRACHM (16.45 G) IMG_10071B.jpg IMG_10071A.jpg
     
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    John Hulgin JHULGIN

  5. KIWITI

    KIWITI Well-Known Member

    If you can´t tell if they are original or not, and they are (if good) valuable, it is both an amateur move and a must to send them to NGC for certification. Also, you could have asked here beforehand too;).
     
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  6. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    Hindsight is always 20/20 :banghead:
     
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  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Agreed. Those are readily identifiable as modern forgeries by the photos alone.

    I'm sorry your coins are not genuine.
     
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  8. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    Thank you~
     
  9. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    #3 MATILDA
    AR DENARIUS (3.78G)
     

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  10. Lolli

    Lolli Active Member

    MATIDIA is possibly a Cigoi forgery.

    BRUNETTI L. - Opus monetale Cigoi.
    Plates coin number 145

    Are you willing to sell it if yes how much do you want to have for it?

    If you are willing to sell I would like to buy through ebay save for both.

    To value, if it is proven that the forgery is actually from Cigoi it is rare and has a value of some hundred Dollar (only few collectors), the reverse is not preserved that well which reduces the value.

    I paid for my Cigoi forgery 500 Euro but coin is in much better condition and with unpublished reverse die and so very interesting. At CNG a Cigoi forgery was sold for 1300 Dollar but in much better condition with unpublished obverse die and so very interesting.

    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=359373

    The position of the letters to design and the design itself fits to the plaster cast 145 in BRUNETTI´s book. I am almost 99% certain it is a Cigoi.

    With best regards
     

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  11. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    Thank you for your assisstance, I will research this
     
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  12. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    #4 NERO
    AE SESTERTIUS 27.13 GRAMS

    Please comment/help IMG_10082a.jpg IMG_10080.jpg IMG_10083.jpg
     
  13. roman99

    roman99 Well-Known Member

    If it came in the same lot with the 3 fakes, I think its safe to assume that's also a fake. But don't take my word for it, there are people way more knowledgeable than me on this forum.
     
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  14. Yorkshire

    Yorkshire Well-Known Member

    Not sure why you would send and pay for coins to be graded with suspicions of being fake then again I wouldn't have any any real or not graded
     
  15. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I agree. I would consider this fake unless someone more knowledgeable than myself said otherwise.

    There might be a die match somewhere in the Forvm fake reports, so I’d start there.
     
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  16. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    I sent these believing they were real. I have a fair understanding of coins, but am not an expert on ancients. Since we know that to be the case. What should I look for next time? I am sure there are teachers here to help.
     
  17. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I would not have sent them to NGC, but I don't think it was an amateur move. You got some coins you wanted an opinion, and you got one. I think the the coin NGC offered no opinion is opinion enough.

    I hope this experience does not deter you from collecting ancients. There are several online databases of forgeries out there, if you search the forum you'll be able to find them. (I don't have the links)
     
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  18. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    You should buy coins from better sources next time. There are many threads here discussing the dealers and auction houses that people here buy from. As a new collector if you're buying them from questionable sources like wherever you found these you'll probably end up with more fakes.
     
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  19. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I dont see anything remarkably obvious about the second Nero Sestertius to say its fake. There are some areas which seem a bit too sharp in relation to the rest of the coin, so it may be tooled and perhaps smoothed. But hammered edges are common for the period (especially sestertii).
     
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  20. John Hulgin

    John Hulgin JHULGIN

    #5 AEOLIS CYME
    AR TETRADRACHM 15.69G
    IMG_10087A.jpg IMG_10088A.jpg
    GENUINE AU EXAMPLE
     
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  21. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ....i trust their judgement...i have several NGC slabbed ancients.. but this was before i was a member here and i agree totally with @KIWITI :) FAUSTA NGC LETTER 004.JPG Galba silver denarius 003.JPG
     
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