Father and Son denarii

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, May 11, 2019.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    So, a little while back I posted this coin for Titus with the Iovis Custos reverse. I knew that the same type was issued for Vespasian. What is interesting is that the Vespasian Coin comes in 2 varieties left facing and right facing. However, for the Titus coin there is only a right facing example. This coin is quite rare as it is rated as R2 by RIC. After getting the Titus coin I started looking for the Vespasian counterpart. The right facing Vespasian is common but the left facing bust is not, the rarity is given as R2 in RIC (The highest rarity in the new RIC is R3). I have however seen another one of these for sale online recently but I did not like the look of it.

    Here is the Titus
    Titus RIC 863.jpg

    Titus AR Denarius.Under Vespasian 76 CE (first issue)
    3.14 g
    Obv:Leaureate head right, T CAESAR IMP VESPASIAN
    Rev:Jupiter standing facing with patera over altar, IOVIS CUSTOS
    RIC 863 [VESP] (R2)
    Purchased from ebay February 21, 2019


    And here is my new purchase, the Vespasian.

    Screen Shot 2019-05-10 at 11.33.27 PM.png

    Vespasian AR Denarius 76 CE
    Rome
    Obv: Head laureate left; IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Rev:Jupiter standing facing with patera over altar, IOVIS CUSTOS
    RIC 850 (R2)
    Rudnik Numismatics, May 10, 2019

    Please post your father and son coins that show a common reverse.
     
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  3. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Very nice examples. I have only this worn Vespasian.
    image(7).jpg
     
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  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nice pick-up!

    However, this is one of those RIC frequency ratings I disagree with. Certainly the left facing portrait is rarer than the right facing - but 'R2 very few examples known'? I think 'rare' would be more accurate. As a matter of fact, I had the left facing variant long before I ever acquired a right!
     
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  5. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Nice catch Orfew. Here are mine. I have the normal Vespasian type, looking to the right.

    18 Vespas denarius iupiter.jpg 19 Titus denarius iupiter.jpg
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I agree. I have seen a few of these around.
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Very few Severans were shared father and son. Just to be difficult here I will show father Septimius and son Caracalla with very slightly different reverses. Both were issued for both rulers so you can not tell which obverse goes with either.
    rj4640bb0607.jpg rm6630bb0183.jpg

    There are husband/wife shares but that is another thread for another day. Brother/brother shares are common but I can't think of a brother/sister match.
     
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is a new photo.
    Vespasian RIC 950.jpg
     
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  10. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice catch Andrew.

    VespasianJupiter.jpg
    IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    laureate head of Vespasian right

    IOVIS CVSTOS
    Jupiter standing half-left, sacrificing from patera in right over small lit altar at feet on left, long scepter grounded behind in left


    Rome, 75 - 76 A.D.

    3.458g, die axis 180o


    RIC II, part 1, 849 (C3); BMCRE III 276; RSC II 222; BnF III 249; SRCV I 2295

    Ex-Heritage CICF World and Ancient Coins Signature Auction 3032, part of lot 30530, Ex- Forum

    Titus_Vespasian.jpg

    T CAESAR - IMP VESPASIANVS
    Laureate head right

    IOVIS CVSTOS
    Jupiter standing front holding patera over altar and scepter

    Rome
    Late 76-79 AD

    3.53g

    RIC 874 (C); Sear 2444
     
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  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Lovely examples Jay. I have the Titus 863 [VESP] but not the 874. I shall have to find one.
     
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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Very nice coins all!
     
  13. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Father

    Vespasian Iovis.jpg

    And good son

    3KD049.jpg

    And the son he probably wanted to forget.

    Domitian Minerva denarius.jpg

    I've long believe that Titus' mysterious death quote "I have but one regret" would have probably finished as "...that I did not kill Domitian and adopt someone else." And maybe he did say it, but historians of the time period knew better than to finish the quote for fear of ending on the sands of the arena as lion food.
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

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