Faked eBay errors?

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  1. This_is_wes

    This_is_wes Active Member

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  3. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    IMO it looks like a vise job. Look at the sellers other items.
    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1984-D.htm
    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/
    I've had to edit this post a few times because I trying to come up with the proper terminology for all that I see on the sellers photos, as well as the sellers others listings. But I just can't think of them right now. Maybe other members with more knowledge can provide better answers. I just know I wouldn't buy any of the sellers coins.
     
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  4. This_is_wes

    This_is_wes Active Member

    Confused.. wouldn’t the lettering be backwards on a clash?
    Also, noticed the high points seem to have the majority of the transfer. On a true clash wouldn’t this appear on the lower areas and fields first?
     
  5. thomas mozzillo

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  6. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The coins in the OP are not errors. They were squeezed /pressed after they left the mint, as @thomas mozzillo said. They are damaged and only worth face value
     
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    The proper terminology is.. GARBAGE!

    So sad that some people actually bid on this item. That is definitely not a Die Clash. Just a fancy Vise/Squeeze job.. someone just threw away over $62.00
    :facepalm:
    1984 Dam.JPG
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    This kind of stuff is rampant on eBay.
     
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  9. This_is_wes

    This_is_wes Active Member

    I’ve seen a few questionable things on eBay, luckily of the actually errors these are less common. However, this seller is specifically selling multiple apparently altered coins with 15 “error” sales in May alone. Would be blatant fraud if this is the case.

    Anyone here have pull with eBay?
     
  10. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    The item has been pulled. However, the rest of his garbage is still up.
     
  11. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Clash marks show up in the fields, not on the devices. This is just PMD.

    Real clash marks aren't errors either.
     
  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It sold for $62.00
    1984 Dam.JPG
     
  13. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Step one: Make new CT account.
    Step two: Post new "error" on CT.
    Step three: Be told that new "error" was a waste of $62.
    Step four: Get mad, tell experienced members they dont know what they are talking about. Name calling ensues.
    Step five: Get banned. Thread gets locked.
    Step six: Profit??
     
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  14. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Actually, a clash can show up in the devices as well. Here’s an example of one I found:

     
  15. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    How would that physically occur? The dies should physically prevent contact into the devices during a clash (although it looks like the clash here may have happened when the dies were significantly misaligned).
     
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  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I honestly thought the same thing for the longest time; that only the fields would show. I don’t have the expertise to explain it, only that it is possible, although less frequent.
     
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  17. Santinidollar

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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    A STRONG clash can sometimes transfer clashmarks onto the shallow relief areas of a coins design, but it is unusual. You will note the clashmarks on that quarter is on the shallowest feathers of the wing.
     
  19. This_is_wes

    This_is_wes Active Member

    This seller is having great luck finding these!
    Already at $85 on this one.

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  20. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    Time to start using my vises for something ... $62 bucks .. that's aweful. :banghead:
     
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  21. littlehugger

    littlehugger Active Member

    At $62 for a Zincoln, I am going to buy a vise and rob my change jar.
    If I come up with a pre-82 copper it should be worth at least $100. And a wheatie ought to clear $1000 easy.
    Is Home Depot still open?
     
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