Byzantine weight and seals: attribution?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Herberto, May 5, 2019.

  1. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    I don't know if it is the proper place to ask.

    I was forced to pay for shipping for some coins I won, so I decided to bid on some supposedly byzantine artifacts since they were cheap for me.

    Anyone here who can help me to tell me more about them, and how I can attribute them, and more important: are they really Byzantine stuff? (and not Russian or Bulgarian?)

    Here they are, and I have copy-paste the descriptions beneath in the images:

    1 yyy circa AD 500-700 Coin weight 19GBP.jpg
    Comment: I can recognize the "IB" in my Alexandrian 12-nummi coins. Are there a connection between the Alexandrian 12-nummi-coins and this?





    2 yyy circa AD 500-700 PB Seal 13GBP.jpg
    Comment: Obviously it is Mary and Jesus on obverse, and I can see a monogram on reverse.


    3 yyy circa AD 500-800 PB Seal 12GBP.jpg
    Comment: A man with beard and halo, and a monogram



    4 yyy circa AD 500-800 PB Seal 15GBP.jpg
    Comment: A man with beard, and monogram




    5 yyy circa AD 1100   PB Seal 13GBP.jpg
    Comment: A figure of a man standing with spear and shield.




    I want to know:

    Is it correct that the weight must be from 500-700, and the first 3 seals from 500-800, and the last seal around AD 1100?

    Can I be 100% sure that all the above are Byzantine artifacts? Could they be Russian or Bulgarian since they were exposed for Byzantine-inspired Christianity?

    Thank you for any help you can provide.
     
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  3. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    For the weights the best place to start is an inexspensive book, "Byzantine weights An Introduction" by Simon Bendall.
    I am looking through it , I do not see a match but this is a different section of our hobby, I know their are books that are much more thorough. Bentall's book is great for an introduction.

    As for seals , the Dumbarton Oaks have issued catalogs for them and I just found a web site they created.

    https://www.doaks.org/resources/seals
     
  4. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    That is St. George. Common for that time period.
     
  5. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

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  6. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    No. The description gives it as a half solidus weight, which I can agree with. Each solidius of 4.4 g is divided in 24 keratia, so half of that is 12, thus IB.
     
  7. EWC3

    EWC3 (mood: stubborn)

    Yes - that part is surely correct. 12 carats/keratia/siliquae. But it could be a coin weight for a half solidus, or an apothecaries weight for 12 carats thus 1/12 oz.

    Its quite similar to Holland 70 - but that on a square flan. Holland makes his Roman period. I do not have the Bendall book - am surprised similar are not in it.

    To my eye from the scan the "IB" looks a bit as though it is too good to be true.....but on the other hand, its definitely not the product of a master forger either, and the seals look OK

    Rob T
     
  8. EWC3

    EWC3 (mood: stubborn)

    If anyone is interested - details of a set of weights just appeared on the web here

    https://www.academia.edu/39356680

    The above piece was probably part of a similar set..................

    Rob T
     
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