morgan dollar test DPL coin

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by gianni, May 6, 2019.

  1. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    hi, I read on some sites that a basic test to define the morgan dollar PL or DPL would be to lay the coin vertically above a newspaper and see if it reflects at least the text 2 inches away. I did this test and ame seems to think very well, what do you think? There are other tests to understand the PL level of morgan. I am attaching images (not high quality are made with a mobile phone but good ones), thanks for the advice
     
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  3. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    Sorry, image here
     

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  4. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    From pictures I don't think it's really close to PL. Also out of a mintage of 20 million 1921-D's PCGS has certified less than 50 as PL so they are quite rare. Posting pictures head on like this:

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    can show PL features as well. Notice the frost on Liberty above and how yours has no frost at all and her cheek shows letters on it as well.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Your photos don't show it clearly enough. Compare it to this one.

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    Chris
     
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  6. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    your photo i think is PROOF does not reflect the text above the morgan's face but only from the bottom, me instead reflects the whole field of the coin including the face similar at PL coins
     
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  7. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    Yours barely reflects at all from the posted images, all silver in high AU and mint state grades will show some reflectivity it's a very reflective metal - that's not enough to warrant a PL designation. Also you don't want to see reflection on her face, see my post above. The face on a PL coin should be mostly frosted and not reflect like the Heritage coin I posted above.
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    The coin I posted is not a proof coin, and the reason that it does not reflect on the bust of Liberty is due to the cameo effect of a proof-like coin. The reflection on your coin is blurry, and the reason that your coin reflects across the face of Liberty is because it has been polished.

    No, don't give me the story about your grandfather never washing or polishing the coin. I get that, but unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your grandfather got your Morgan from the Mint the day it was struck, then you cannot prove that someone else didn't polish the coin before your grandfather acquired it.

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  9. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    I understand, it won't be a proof and not even a PL but it has a surface that shows a lot of colors not typical silver but blue and red, boooo however I don't think we can even call it a simple AU55, thanks for your opinions
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    While your coin is reflective that does not make it PL.
     
  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    It appears to be a very nice coin and I would like to see a photo taken at 90 degrees from the surface (straight on) so we can see what it looks like.
     
  12. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    I not expert but this not normal coin very incredible reflect color for me more beutifull me coin from all i see heritage PL or DPL post
     

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  13. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks for the picture, but from the back view it looks to me like it was polished. I see lots of hairlines to the right of the eagle particularly. backpic.jpg
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    As soon as I saw the new photos only one word came to my mind-Polished. It's also toning a steel blue and that adds to the shine.
     
  15. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    The electric blue is not a reflection but is alive inside the metal of the coin see this pic angulate
     

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  16. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    or every photo I take always looks like a different coin at every angle shows different colors and often maybe shows the lines that in reality there is no coin. the colors are inside the metal and visible only in certain angles
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Silver color is...silver, any other color is on the surface.
     
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  18. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    I don't know, I think it is inside the metal that electric blue and not on the surface in some areas instead of blue it is red and in other areas golden yellow these colors are seen and alternated by moving the coin
     
  19. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    I showed the coin in the hands of some friends who collect coins and have never seen in their lives a silver coin so different it doesn't even look like a circulating coin ever seen a coin with these colors inside the metal nobody wanted to believe that it was a morgan dollar original it is impossible that such a coin can circulate attracts too much attention it seems a fake not a silver coin. I'd like them to have the NGC experts in their hands, they too would be stunned as a silver has changed color the problem is that I live in Italy and there are no NGC offices here. I don't know if Italian experts can judge it in Italy NEVER having a silver coin in these conditions. today I was curious to see if someone over 50 years ago had it colored and that blue was silver on the outside I washed it in demineralized water and pure cotton nothing cotton was very white rubbed for several minutes with water but nothing and that's why I say that blue is inside the metal and not outside
     
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  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    gianni - the folks are telling you the truth, your coin has been heavily polished. Somebody has taken a rag and polished it up just like ya would if ya washed your car. Or, just like you would if you found some old silver silverware and then polished it all up to make it shine just like your coin does.

    Now you could send it in to NGC easy enough, they do have offices in Europe. But they're gonna tell you the very same thing you're being told here - the coin has been polished, heavily polished. And as such it's a damaged coin. NGC would not even grade the coin, they'd just put it in a details slab. So sending it to them, you'd just be wasting your money - literally throwing your money away.
     
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  21. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    From your photos your coin appears to be polished to me.
     
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