1795 Draped Bust Dollar (real or fake)

Update: eBay has pulled this seller's listings.

 

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I wonder why? :mouth:

Ribbit :smile

Ps: I've emailed the seller to see if he is still interested in selling to me? :mouth:

 

Darn, he had one inexpensive fake PCGS slab I was chasing that closed tomorrow and now it's gone.

 

I think it's settled that my coin is a copy and not real. They are getting better at counterfeiting so watch out when you are buying ANYTHING, even slabbed coins!!!!

Ribbit,
Toad

 

I posted the pics here Condor (better quality than the Ebay pics) and if you want me to email you copies, I will.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

Ps: Did anyone report them?

 

Can anyone tell me what the sellers ebay username was?

 

I can but it may be better in PM? What ya think?

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

Yes, Please send me a PM Toad.

 

He's been booted completely off Ebay.

Since he's been booted, it won't hurt to post his username for all to see - yongkun999

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

Ps: I saved his email to me with the pictures attached and his Ebay message to me offering the coins to me outright, so in case someone might want them (I contacted PCGS & the Secret Service).

Ribbit - Ribbit - Ribbit

 

PCGS replied about 30 minutes ago (midnight CDT) and here's what they said:

"Thank you for taking the time to notify us. We are aware of the situation and are working to resolve it. If you see new auctions go up we would appreciate it if you let us know."

I think that goes for all of us. If anyone ever see's a fake coin in a PCGS slab, report it to customer service at PCGS.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

PCGS should give a free submittal to the first person to report a fake PCGS slab on eBay.

 

Maybe they could do like many forums do, including this one, give you extra priveledges after you've submitted 10 fake slabs to them (you'd have to be the first to turn it in). I'd be looking for fake slabs any chance I could. :hammer:

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

Here's a 1798 DBD in a NGC slab (you be the judge if it's fake or not - I say it is a fake):

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/1798-SILVER...ryZ42726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What's the world coming to? :desk:

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

 

Well its is in a NGC holder.....oh wait that doesnt really matter anymore that can be fake too...hummmm I guess im not too sure then?????????

 

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Wow that wizard is great! Thanks for posting it, I've got it bookmarked now. Seeems like an interesting idea for guides for other series as well.

 

PCGS issues a comment on this topic:

COUNTERFEIT PCGS HOLDERS

- March 27, 2008


In recent days, counterfeit coins in counterfeit PCGS slabs have begun to appear on eBay, the online auction site. All of the counterfeit coins/holders seen so far are coming out of China. Alert members of the PCGS Message Boards were the first to notify PCGS of the counterfeit coins/holders.

The coins themselves range from poor-quality counterfeits to well-made fakes. The counterfeit PCGS holders are well-executed, but with minor differences from a genuine holder. PCGS anticipates that authentic coins will eventually be placed into counterfeit PCGS holders in the future, perhaps with elevated grades and/or inappropriate designators (Full Bell Lines, Prooflike, etc.), although none have been seen to date.

The on-line PCGS Certificate Verification is a method for confirming that a particular certificate number matches the information in the PCGS database, but the counterfeiters are aware of this detection method and are now using valid certificate numbers (see below).

PCGS has contacted U.S. governmental agencies, including the FBI, U.S. Customs, the Secret Service, and US Postal authorities, to enlist their assistance in pursuing enforcement or legal remedies against these counterfeiters. Also, PCGS is a member of eBay's CCW Group, which monitors eBay for fraudulent listings and asks eBay to discontinue auctions of suspicious coins and/or suspend violators.

PCGS has called for eBay to stop accepting listings of any rare coins from Chinese sellers. Ebay recently pulled several auctions of counterfeit coins/holders at the urging of PCGS.

PCGS urges consumers not to purchase rare coins from Chinese sellers on eBay. While legitimate, authentic coins exist in China, the plethora of fakes and fraudulent listings on eBay increase the likelihood that coins purchased from Chinese sellers will be counterfeit.

The PCGS Guarantees of Grade and Authenticity do not apply to counterfeit holders, but PCGS has a strong interest in assisting consumers in actions against any fraudulent sellers.

Sufficient differences exist between genuine and counterfeit holders such that PCGS experts can easily identify fake holders. Consumers are cautioned that coins that appear to be underpriced may be counterfeit. PCGS urges all consumers to deal only with reputable sellers who are willing to stand behind the coins they sell.

PCGS recommends consumers consider the following any time they make a coin purchase:

1. Verify the certificate number using the PCGS Cert Verification program at http://www.pcgs.com/cert/
See limitations above
2. Avoid purchasing rare coins from eBay sellers in China.
3. Investigate the legitimacy of the seller (examine feedback; avoid low feedback sellers; find out how long the seller has been in business; do they have a good reputation?; do you have legal recourse in case of a problem?).
4. Make sure you have a money-back guarantee that is enforceable (for example, credit card companies will often assist in cases of fraud).
5. Realize that "bargains" in numismatics are usually too good to be true.
6. If you have a question about a particular coin, be sure to have it checked out by an Authorized PCGS Dealer or by PCGS before the expiration of any guarantees.
7. Request an immediate refund if the coin you purchased turns out to be a counterfeit.

The following list of coins and certificate numbers have been seen in fake PCGS holders:

China (1916) Silver Dollar, Y-332, Cert #10712316 (valid)
China (1923) Silver Dollar, K-677, Cert #11354470 (valid)
China (1923) Silver Dollar, K-678, Cert #11285683 (valid)
China (1923) Silver Dollar, Y-336.1, Cert #13835186 (valid)
China Republic (1912) 20 Cents, Cert #21981173 (invalid)
China (1916) Gold Dollar, Pn-44, Cert # 11072163 (invalid)
China (1923) Gold Dollar, Tsao Kun, K-677, Cert #11354470 (invalid spec, valid cert…used above)
US 1858-O Half Dollar, Cert #03884338 (valid)
US 1800 Silver Dollar, Cert #03859118 (valid)
US 1795 Silver Dollar, Off-Center Bust, Cert #22030856 (valid)
Mexico 1761-MoMM 8 Reales, Cert #05763936 (valid)

"Valid" means that the correct information shows up under Cert Verification

To alert PCGS to any offerings of counterfeit PCGS holders, please notify Ron Guth at guthr@collectors.com. For more information, contact PCGS Customer Service at 800-447-8848.

Source: http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5286&universeid=313

 

The date looks pretty off.

 

Agreed with the 14 designation. The differences in the position of LIBERTY in relation to the waives of hair is an easy call. It's as obvious as many Large Cents. Just focus on the highest points of the hair and their position in respect to the B and E.

 

I have a 1875s trade dollar (au to unc, looks great) that I got at a garage sale. It looked, as if it was a mat proof. I had a friend check it (the friend knows his stuff). It's weight was off and the surface was with tiny knots, or bubbles on the surface (cast), as if it had a mat proof surface.-O) Learned something.