George III Cartwheel Twopence, 1797

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  1. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I came across one of these at a show yesterday and it was priced right. Most I've seen are quite worn and banged up. At 56 grams, I imagine that if you drop the thing on a hard surface it gets a rim ding. Does anyone else have any nice examples for show-and-tell?

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

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    George III (1760 - 1820 A.D.)
    Æ "Cartwheel" 2 Pence
    O: GEORGIUS III D G REX, Laureate, draped, and armored bust right.
    R: BRITANNIA, Britannia seated left on rocks, holding branch and trident; shield to right; in background, ship under sail right upon waves.
    Soho (Birmingham) mint, 1797.
    41mm
    54.73g
    6h
    Peck 1077; SCBC 3776; KM 619.
     
  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Nice cartwheels. My only cartwheel is barely readable. I did only pay 80 cents for it though.
     
  5. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    This is the better one of the 2 I have.

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  6. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Great pick-up @John Anthony and nice coins Mat, furryfrog, and Chris. These cartwheels are one of my favorite world coins. They have such a nice weight to them. I have one in my collection.
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    Interestingly, in their day the coins were unpopular. People complained that they were too heavy to carry around any quantity more than a few of them. Also, at two pence, they didn't alleviate the lack of small change that was plaguing the economy of Great Britain.
     
  7. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I sold my 1d and 2d, so I need a new one. Historically, they are probably the most important coin since the steam press was introduced to the minting of coins. James Watt wanted to make a statement of how powerful his new press was, and what a statement he made!
     
  8. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Here's my beat up hockey puck..

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    Great Britain 2 pence 1797 obverse less 5.jpg
     
  9. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    This is one of my favorite coins for sure! I picked up one recently that is pretty nice after wanting one for years. Feels great in hand.

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    Big and THICK... just the way I like 'em!

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  11. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    This is the best of mine:
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I've always had a fondness for these. Don't have one right now. Would love to own a proof someday.
     
  13. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    These are hard to find in nice condition. I have a couple, but my nicest one was incorporated into a wine-tasting thing - it might have rim bumps, who knows? Despite most of the silver plate being worn off, it appears that the coin was not subjected to polishing - the surfaces are pretty nice, considering.

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  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That's a very special item, because it's entirely possible that the tastevin is contemporary to the coin, and just as old. It looks Georgian to me, anyway, not that I know anything about vintage Georgian tastevins. (In fact, I had to look the word up- "wine tasting thing" is what I previously called these myself.)

    That would possibly have as much value to a professional sommelier as it would to a numismatist.
     
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Tastevin! I was pretty sure there was a name for the "wine-tasting thing" but I was too lazy to look it up. Thank you, lordmarcovan!
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I did not have to look up the word "sommelier", as I work for a fancy resort where we have such people on staff. :)

    (In fact, if you watch the video slideshow on that homepage, you can see Thomas Roberts, one of our sommeliers, pouring a bottle of wine in the Georgian Room. I don't see him using a tastevin there, but I have seen some of the sommeliers wear a small silver one on a chain around their neck.)
     
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  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That has to be the oddest thing I've seen done to a coin.
     
  18. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Not a Cartwheel but I have a similar piece. Not sure what mine was used for but it resulted in a highly polished obverse.
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  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Well dangit, now I want a coin bowl. For my breakfast cereal!
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    They sure could be habit forming.
     
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  21. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Wow! That is fancy. I am sort of a screw-top wine drinker - I think a sommelier would find me contemptible!
     
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