To Tone or not To Tone, that is the question.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Devyn5150, Apr 21, 2019.

  1. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I remember that. I belive it was an early 2000 with nice looking peripheral toning.
     
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  3. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    That coin is beautiful. Like I said before, I've never especially searched for toned coins but I do truly understand why people love them.
     
  4. Devyn5150

    Devyn5150 Well-Known Member

    Thank you, I hope so too.
     
  5. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Just a heads up in case you didn’t know. There are people out there cooking coins in chemicals to impart dramatic toning. While some of these have a real wow factor to them, just be aware that artificially toned coins don't grade straight. It’s a relatively recent phenomenon and I don’t know if anyone really knows the long term damage that chemically cooking coins may cause.
     
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  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC

    I've heard about this, probably a couple years ago. One of the reasons I'd rather not take that risk I guess.
     
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  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    If this is an experiment , I would
    1. rinse the coins and inside of the bottle and lid with acetone and pour out excess to remove contaminants ,
    2. Use 'rubber bands" made of synthetic rubber ( neon colors usually) as rubber bands have differing amounts of sulfur.
    3. Since matches do not list percentages of phosphorus or sulfur ( and which compound) I have bought pure sodium sulfide on Amazon to provide the sulfides..

    One should narrow down the possible active agents as much as possible if you ever wish to repeat experiments at a later time. IMO Jim
     
  8. Devyn5150

    Devyn5150 Well-Known Member

    I personally have no intention to use a chemical. I would prefer a naturally toned coin in a rainbow shade but am too impatient to wait a decade or half century. I’m just curious. Actually, on a loosely tied subject, chemicals... dipping silver and acetone baths, I am also curious about and yet, apprehensive. I have more than enough 1967 Canadian dimes, 2 rolls worth, which look milky, as the ones in my photo, that I’d like to test but, yeah, apprehensive I guess.
     
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  9. Devyn5150

    Devyn5150 Well-Known Member

    Variables known and unknown, yes. I have tried to keep that in mind and, in light of the response on this thread, which I figured I’d get slammed on, has been pleasant and informative and I thank you all for the input!
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Well the majority would probably say that they are your coins and you can do what the owner wishes to them. Where you get the punch back is if the person then tries to sell them as natural or " I don't know if AT or not coins " on the market. Jim
     
  11. Devyn5150

    Devyn5150 Well-Known Member

    If they turned out nice and someone had made an offer and asked if AT or not, I would divulge the process I used... I’m Canadian and too nice to lie, lol
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's quite true that some artificially toned coins don't straight grade. But it's also true that tens of thousands of artificially toned coins have straight graded. And it's also true that thousands of naturally toned coins have not straight graded, and true that tens of thousands that have straight graded. And true that thousands of artificially toned coins didn't straight grade the 1st time, but did the 2nd time - as well as the opposite.

    What I'm trying to tell ya Randy is there is no rule, there's not even a way to determine, scientific or otherwise, natural from artificial. The very best that anyone, anywhere, can do at any time, when it comes to toning - is guess if it is artificial or natural.
     
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  13. Devyn5150

    Devyn5150 Well-Known Member

    Is AT considered AT if all that happens is the coin is intentionally exposed to a favourable environment that encourages the coin’s natural process of toning?

    I’ve gone mad and set up experiment two with pennies, lol.
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think it was about 20 years ago that I first said - the only difference between AT and NT is intent. Beyond that the toning is exactly the same.
     
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