V. Kurt Bellman

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by tibor, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. Mr. Flute

    Mr. Flute Well-Known Member

    Agreed. You can be an elitist, but you don't have to be a jerk about it. Life's too short.

    That quote from him Burton provided is very enlightening. Perhaps this is all for the best, as it appears he clearly doesn't suffer fools even to his own detriment.

    So it goes...
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2019
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  3. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    Your mom named you goldcollector? Wowee
     
  4. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    It was the roman numeral 5, 1 through 4 got banned, where's VI?
     
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  5. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Just Curious! Where was your "mom" when she named you "at"? carroll where? Just a fools request!
     
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Unfortunately yes
     
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  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Agreed. Richard or Rich is far more preferable. Seems Dick was much more common in an older generation. My neighbor is named Dick. He’s 82 years old. His uncle that lived there before him shared the same name. I honestly think it’s better than Ernest though. I hated that name from the time I was a kid. And then they came out with the Jim Varney movies which only made it worse. Thank god I had a good middle name of William. My son is Patrick Aidan and we call him Aidan but either are good names as far as I’m concerned as is his middle name Trevor. He’s got a choice
     
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  8. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Don't feel bad. My wife's given first name is Elinor and she is reviled by it. She uses an initial as her first name too..... Good Lord if she reads CT I will be sleeping in the doghouse for a year.
     
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  9. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Even if Kurt were allowed back here (note the use of the subjunctive), it would just be a matter of time before he spouted off his "mouth" (keyboard warrior) again and was banned.

    Some people just can't avoid tilting at windmills.

    :cigar:
     
  10. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Don Quixote Bellman and his trusty steed Red-Brown
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    We knew (it was the 1st thing we checked once the report was given). But I understand why you would think what you did based on what you had to work with.

    And that's kind of the thing Paul, there's a lot of people who seem to think a lot of things, but they are more often than not mistaken. Mostly because there's a whole lot that they don't know. I mean people can only make their assumptions and reach their conclusions based on what they see, what they are aware of. So when people make mistakes, it's easily understood why.
     
  12. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    I don't know, Dick.
     
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  13. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Let’s put it this way, if you have a member threaten the forum with legal action, and that member is still a member after you verify that the threat is credible, then both you and Peter are absolute fools.

    Furthermore, while you might think it’s fun to lord over the forum members how much more you know as your role as an admin than we do as members, it is your lack of transparency with respect to forum discipline that foments the idea that said discipline is selectively enforced. You need look no further than @BooksB4Coins comments in this very thread to find confirmation.

    Now personally, I don’t care if Bellman was banned for threatening legal action, an accumulation of points, or simply because you were tired of his ridiculous trolling behavior. That said, your policy of refusing to discuss/explain why things happen with relation to discipline reflects negatively upon you, Peter, and the forum as a whole. Here’s a suggestion, why not inform the entire forum when you ban/suspend someone along with a brief description of the reason? The NGC forum has done this for years and it has worked well.
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Let's just say that we are diametrically opposed in our thinking regarding everything you just said.

    But I do agree with one thing, there are those who think the rules are enforced selectively. But no matter what I did or how much I told you, that would still be the case. And it would still be the case that they are wrong.

    And that's really the crux of the matter Paul, because no matter what I say people still have to decide for themselves if they believe me - or not.

    Ya see Paul, people love to judge, they just absolutely love it - just like what you're doing right now. You're claiming that we're fools because we don't ban people if they threaten to sue the forum. That's your opinion, but we believe the direct opposite is true, that we would be fools if we did what you suggest.

    And that's why people always clamor for so called transparency because they want to judge for themselves if the person/s administering things is right or wrong. Look at this entire thread, and the other like it, that's all people are doing - judging others ! Throughout this entire forum that's what you have - people judging others. It's a constant.

    For other examples, go find any thread you want that discusses ethics, and there are a great many of them. In every single one you're going to find the same thing - entire groups of people disagreeing with each other, sometimes vehemently about what is right or wrong. But does the discussion of the matter change anything ? Of course not and it never will because everybody thinks differently - on just about every subject there is. And it's not just here, it's the same with everything in life - literally everything !

    And you think it would make it better to open up who knows how many threads like this ? By publicly airing everybody's dirty laundry ? How many law suits do you think that would generate ?
     
  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I trust you. I have always said, that despite your dogmatic posting style, you are the most fair minded moderator I have ever seen on any online forum. My point was, that others, including core members like @BooksB4Coins do not share my faith in you, and that banning active core members like Bellman will always result in an outcry for an answer to why their forum friend/foe is gone. When you see the same guy receive 5 separate 1 week suspensions, it becomes very hard to complain when that same member gets banned. But when the forum has no idea about the member's prior transgressions, a permanent ban appears to be out of nowhere, and will often be perceived as unfair. The fact that you are claiming that transparency would exacerbate the situation is frankly, ridiculous.

    Regarding banning people who threaten to sue, it is akin to negotiating with terrorists. Any consolations made under the threat of legal action will incentivize members to threaten legal action in the future as a bargaining chip.

    And nobody is asking you to air people's dirty laundry, simply to inform the forum when someone is suspended or banned permanently. For example, maybe the current situation would be posted like this:

    V Kurt Bellman: Permanent Ban--Points Violation
     
  16. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    For what it's worth, probably that paid, you and I appear to value Bellmans forum contributions equally. However, it's my opinion that the forum management is acting properly.

    I'm speaking as one who had needed cancelled correspondence from my account communications in a legal action against a fraudulent notorious member. I correctly requested the communications and was denied, but understood the possible ramifications to forum principals if they released same. They could be significant!

    There are means by which due process can be achieved for a damaged party/plaintiff, I could've received the data, but most laypeople know/realize that unregulated disclosure isn't wise, and could be illegal. I believe management has been courteous and correct.

    It's been a couple years, and the legal action hasn't yet been resolved, but the end is in sight as the defendant is bargaining. I knew the potential outcome when individuals without damages, but with an opinion/attitude asked that I "support/join" them, similar to your request. They've only created more chaos.

    As has been shown in this thread, when there's an unfounded interest by a few, many may contribute, not always in a positive manner.

    JMHO
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Not kidding. When is his parole hearing. Wanna mark it on my calendar
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Thanks for the update
     
  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    You were doing good until your last line and showed your true colors and threw kurt under the bus
     
  20. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Vern....Vern....Vern.Vern.Vern

    Sorry, couldn't resist
     
  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Heh. About what I would've expected -- if he did miss this place, or regret being kicked out, I'd be surprised to see him admit it.

    I still wish he were still here.
     
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