GRRR! I got fired a again (this time over a morgan)

I hate to be the negative guy, and I don't mean any harm by saying this. Perhaps you were not really fired for "exchanging" the coin. Perhaps your manager did not like you to begin with. Sometimes managers can have something against an employee but not have permission to fire you from their boss for various reasons, but as soon as the manager sees you doing something slightly unethical, boom, he has just cause to fire you. What you did was in the whole gray area. It wasn't outright stealing because you did exchange a $1 coin for a $1 bill. Its an even exchange, a dollar is a dollar no matter what its numismatics value may be. If you would of exchanged 4 quarters for a dollar, would that be stealing too?

 

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Ethical conduct is being honest when no one is watching.

 

me and the manager did get into arguments because when he told me to do some things i coudnt because of my handicap and couldnt work overtime because im a minor...

so he didnt like me....but i dont think thats why he REALLY fired me

 

For the love of God. I have read this from the first post all the way till now. I mean seriously .......1932 views and 122 replies.....can anyone say NEXT

 

NEXT

 

Too late to post my opinion lol? There's really only two different ones...

When I worked as a cashier at Sam's Club I did precisely the same thing, at the end of my shift I would take any interesting coins out of the dwarer and replace them with equivalent face value. Got several silver dimes this way, a buffalo nickel, mercury dime, several foreign coins, etc. In my case though I made no secret of it and even told my manager I did that... they didn't really care. So technically I had prior permission.

My opinion in this case? Sure he had the right to fire him for doing that, but he was still a jerk for doing so. Stealing? Sorry, I just don't see that... no place I have ever worked would call it that, a dollar's a dollar as far as they're concerned. But I suppose to be safe you should ask first. However I'm not going to call it stealing or even unethical. It looks like you were just working for someone that was looking for an excuse to fire you... you're probably better off in the long run, there's no future working in a place like that.

 

STAINLESS.... You should of..
bought, a coffee with 5 bucks, and CHOSE your change out of the register..
thats what I would do next time.
Then the change is just coming and going through customers...

 

Can't we stop beating this dead horse and move on?

 

You're seriously asking a forum of people who collect hundred year old coins and currency displaying dead presidents to stop beating a dead horse? I think you have your values confused. (I'M KIDDING!!!)

 

:thumb: :thumb:

Phoenix

 

This concludes our broadcast day!

I say NEXT too.:hammer:

 

Guess it's my turn...I have tried to read every post on this thread..phew.

My thoughts have to go with HandsomeToad long before he posted it. I would have informed the customer it was worth more then a dollar & offered a fair purchase price for it. You would have slept better in the end, especially if it was one of our seniors hurting to make ends meet.

In the future stainless, ask what the company policy is wherever you are working & abide by their policies. If that "golden goose" does walk in though, do the right thing & let the individual know what the true value of what they are spending really is. Maybe it will be your Grandparent, Parent or Child spending a collectible unknowingly oneday.

As for Cloudsweeper, I agree whole heartedly with your post in this thread about the "rollhunters" high fiving & all congradulatory when they find full rolls of silver.....these were turned in by our seniors just trying to make ends meet & not knowing the true value. Are the people wrong for "BUYING" them for face....not legally but certainly morally.
& that is where I see Stainless went wrong but certainly not stealing from the company.

Cheers

 

I mean no disrespect, but there I don't think that's something that can be assumed. True, they could have been turned in by a senior citizen, but you don't exactly know. They could have been turned in by anybody, young and older. A kid could have gotten them as a gift, not knowing what they are worth too, and turned them in. Also I am not totally sure that fits into this case. In roll searching normally you don't know who turned them in, and don't have much of a chance finding the original owner. Sometimes they can be rolls that sat in the vault for years. Here, (not putting you down here stainless) he knew who the coin belonged to originally, and did have a chance to make "right". It's not up to me to judge if what stainless did was morally or not morally right IMHO. But I don't think it's right to make the judgement that it's morally wrong to call it morally wrong to find silver in rolls, or to say they automatically were turned in by Senior Citizens. Just my view on this, please don't take this as upset or anything, just a neutral opinion by me. I'll shut up now.

Phoenix

 

No problem Phoenix...I will answer the roll finds on another thread.

Stainless did "know" the owner though & should have done the right thing & offered to purchase it at a fair price. What would you have done Phoenix in that situation?...

Stainless, work hard & good luck....learn from all of lifes lessons.

Cheers

 

Cool, and I do agree with you. I honestly am not sure what I would've done to be honest with you, lol, because I don't want to come off holier than though, ya know? I'm not saying anyone here is, just stating my opinion on what I worry about coming off as. I can just hope I can use my better judgement if a situation like this comes about. Stainless, it is a matter of opinion in my opinion (redundant, yes, I know ) whether or not you did was right or wrong. Different people have different opinions. Maybe you should've done this, maybe you should've done that. But maybe doesn't count IMO. You can't change the past, but you can try to make a change for the future. Best of luck to you man! :thumb:

Phoenix

 

In all likelihood the "Trade Dollar" was a Chinese counterfeit. What is a "fair price" for a Chinese counterfeit Trade Dollar? I have bought several for $5 or less (for curiosity and educational pieces).

Most people wouldn't want one of these counterfeits at any price. So stainless may have done the customer a favor by accepting a worthless counterfeit Trade Dollar at one dollar.

If the coin were genuine I would agree with alldrr5.

 

thanks all for the help guys..

to be honest...

all i knew was what the trade dollar looked like....i actually thought this was the dollar made after the morgan(until i got the dollar and saw the date, then when i got home, i did research and found out the peace was after)...

so, even though i could have still got more than a dollar(if it was real) for it i thought maybe around $5-10 (it was in really bad condition) where as it was really worth closer to $100 (according to redbook)

 

Hey stainless, did you return to work, how did it go?....

In the future what are you going to do if you see a coin which you think is worth lots more then "face" being spent by a customer? Are ya gonna just pocket it, let it go, make an offer....?

Myself, I don't think you stole anything from the "company"...just bad judgement without asking.

I would like to hear more about the Customer..... & how do you feel about it now if he/she was a disadvantaged individual?..ignorance should be included as a disadvantage.

Cheers

 

It went well, the owner and i talked about it, he didnt really care

If this DOES ever happen again, I will have no part of it and have a manger handle it....my paychecks are way more important than a coin (sorry to all who may disagree with that statement but i relize its true)

 

Excellent choice. In the long run, you'll be a better person for having gone through this.