Greek - Histiaea Euboea - 'Fake' or for 'Real'

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Topcat7, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I feel that this coin could be a 'Fake'.
    What do you think? (I have no dimension or weight.)

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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Impossible to say from just a photo with no size or weight information. Why anyone would fake a coin like that is beyond me, though. I wonder if it is a contemporary imitation.
     
  4. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

  5. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Ilya Prokopov wrote a small book, Coin Forgeries and Replicas 2006, which catalogs 110 fake examples of this type. Unfortunately I can't find my copy! I can't tell if yours is real or a modern replica, but everyone should triple check before purchasing examples of this type.
     
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  6. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    How did Ilya determine which were real and which were fakes? The obvious fakes are one thing what about the rest.
     
  7. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Thanks for the book title. I wonder if my example is in the book.
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  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I suspect that the OP is cast from Forvm Fake reports.

    Compare with this one:-

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  9. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Ilya did post some montage photos of some as well as some individual images to the Forvm Fake reports

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    A small sample of the individual ones
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  10. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Thank you.
    The fact that I am wary, together with your less than 'supportive' comments are enough for me to stay away.
    Note: Also, I cannot relate the 'Head of Nymph' to the Obverse of this coin.
     
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  11. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Nymph is facing down. Rotate 90 degrees counter-clockwise.
     
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  12. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Thank-you, Ed. I tried rotating but I missed that. I see it now.
     
  13. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    It is unfortunate that there are so many forgeries out there...fairly certain this one is genuine:
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    Euboia, AR Tetrobol, Histiaia, 3rd-2nd century BC
    Obv: Head of nymph right, with dotted necklace
    Rev: IΣTI - AIEΩN, Nymph seated to right on the stern of a galley, holding a naval standard with her left hand, her right hand resting on the stern. She wears a sleeveless chiton, with a himation over her crossed legs, there is a wing on the prow; below a trident and monogram AΛ(?)
    Size: 2.30g, 15mm
     
  14. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    He's probably handled thousands and thousands of genuine coins. It's like the 10 000 hour practice rule, the more you see the more things stand out as different.
     
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  15. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i have one i believe is 'real'..but these types were made by different groups of Greeks/conquerors for several hundred years, according to what i read.. Syracruse coins, Histiaia tetrobol 003.JPG Syracruse coins, Histiaia tetrobol 004.JPG
     
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  16. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Look at the group photo and ask what all have in common that might make a good thing to avoid. I am not saying that there is any such thing as a simple diagnostic that will replace handling 10,000 coins of the type but I have no desire to own an example with big round berries on the head. My coins may be just as fake, I am not an expert in these and waaaay too much of my 'knowledge' comes from books and photos which is not the same thing and handling 10,000 actual coins. I have no interest in buying more that the one I have.
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  18. Keith Twitchell

    Keith Twitchell Active Member

    For some reason this coin is a particularly popular one to fake. I have at least one, and it is so well done that it even fooled a dealer friend; it took another dealer to clue us into it. I'm at the point that I would not buy one of these unless it had a definitive pedigree and/or came from a top dealer.
     
  19. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    The original coin in this post is fake

    Barry Murphy.
     
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  20. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Barry Murphy. I have no idea whether or not the original coin in this post is fake. You may well be correct about that being the case. Could you please provide your evidence ? Or even your "hunches", which could, possibly, be right.
     
  21. Pavlos

    Pavlos You pick out the big men. I'll make them brave!

    Lately so much stuff gets faked I am even surprised it gets faked. Besides this coin, I am also very cautious with drachms and fractions from Apollonia and Istros (Moesia).

    Here are some fake examples I came across lately, seems to be all from the same cast/die?

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    Eventhough here on cointalk most can spot these are fakes, it can still ruin our hobby, especially for starters.
     
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