Bought a 1908 No Motto $10 Gold Eagle Raw

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  1. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Well it's true that there are always specimens available of this coin to buy at any time yet there aren't many to choose from. They aren't as available in all grades as say Stone Mountain Half Dollars.
     
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  3. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I'm happy for you, and I've had good experiences with SEGS coins being slabbed by the premier TPG at virtually the same grade. I suspect if it was "sight-seen", AU details is realistic. That grade may have been based on the Obverse.

    I hope you keep the coin, as I've many "details" scarce date coins, especially if your basis is reasonable.

    JMHO
     
  4. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    End result shown. I found the possible cleaning. It exists under and to the left of the chin area in the field. Very slight. It seems SEGS finds everything. They check out the coins really carefully. I had a Bay Bridge Half Dollar Commemorative they detailed recently from the lightest hairlines on the bear's leg. It took me a long time to find it. Photos included.

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    Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I don't have a 1908 No Motto $10 gold. The closest I have is a 1907 No Periods and a 1908 With Motto $10 gold.

    The cleaning goes beyond just under the chin on the $10 and by the bear's leg. It's the whole surface of both coins. Compare the surfaces and luster with these coins. This coin is graded MS-64.

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    And a Bay Bridge in MS-64

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  6. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Hate to pee on your parade but your Bay Bridge is also a cleaned coin but professionally done. The 1907 $10 Indian looks splendid though. The Bay Bridge looks nice too but not original. I have fully original Bay Bridges and those are real prizes. I am an avid collector of the Bay Bridge. I've got 60 or so in my collection. There's a 1930-S $10 Indian on eBay now I'd love to own. Only $94,000 asking.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Not! Cleaned HA HA HA!

    The coin John posted is absolutely MS. I wish the top TPG's used this much discretion when grading other issues as of late.
     
  8. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    It is a cleaned coin. I know this coin very well. Original ones won't have a luster like the one shown in johnmilton's photograph.
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    If you are gonna call that one cleaned then you better call the 10$ gold cleaned as well.
     
  10. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I have less experience with gold so cannot make a good call on that one.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    How can you even compare your Bay bridge to Johns? They are nothing alike. Are you saying that Johns has been whizzed? What kind of cleaning are you referring to?
     
  12. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I established that my specimen pictured is lightly cleaned. John's Bay Bridge is also cleaned but professionally. Coin grading up to MS-64 are often cleaned at some point in their existence. MS-65-MS-66 coins less commonly have been cleaned. MS-67 are rarely cleaned ever. MS-68 and above is extremely rare to have had any cleaning or restoration history but it still does occur. A 100% natural Bay Bridge specimen will not exhibit the color, surfaces or patina John's coin shows. My original skin Bay Bridge Half Dollars have a natural look to them being unaltered through time. I wish you lived by me. I'd take you to the safe deposit box so I could show you such examples of coins.
     
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  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    OK it has been dipped. I don’t consider dipping to be cleaning. Cleaning involves stripping or removing the surfaces which destroys or alters the mint luster.

    There are purists who don’t like dipped coins, but it’s not the same as cleaning.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    "LITE CLEANING"? Seriously, SEGS?

    Wonder if I can send them one of edynamicmarketing's purple eBay specials and get a "LOL AT" label? :rolleyes:
     
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  15. BlackberryPie

    BlackberryPie I like pie

    I was thinking the same thing about the spelling. id10ts.
     
  16. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    That coin is not cleaned. I wish you’d learn something before spouting off. It gets tiresome.
     
  17. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I know so because I've looked at enough Bay Bridge specimens. The truly original ones I can spot. Again, I'm not saying it's a bad coin. Some very nice specimens exist which are acceptable for big money however are not totally original coins. Again, if you want to see original coins and in the New York area I could show the ones I have that have never seen any cleaning whatsoever. I am not looking to put anyone down. I think we're making a bigger issue out of this than necessary.
     
  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I am going to ask you for a favor, @40_mila_kokkina. Please don't make blanket statements that condemn other people’s holdings, which many collectors find acceptable.

    Are ATTRACTIVE original surface coins that have never been dipped better? Yes, but the key word is ATTRACTIVE. Some coins have been dipped because the toning they had was ugly. Chances are you won't buy an original coin that's ugly just because it has original surfaces, and I most certainly won't buy them.

    When you collect scarcer, early material, which I have done for many years, the vast majority of coins that you see have had something done to them at one time or another. Many early copper coins have had something done to them because copper is a reactive coinage metal. The EAC collectors understand that and accept the fact that they won't be able to get totally orginal coins in all cases.

    Maybe so, but you have kept pushing it. Please don't make this into another CAC. CAC has driven me out of the U.S. coin maket, and I am not the only one. I understand the originality issue, but it's not the basis to go after other people. When you make statements like this:

    That's exactly what you are doing. Dipped is NOT CLEANED. You should acknowledge the difference.
     
  19. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I am going to ask you for a favor, @40_mila_kokkina. Please don't make blanket statements that condemn other people’s holdings, which many collectors find acceptable.

    Are ATTRACTIVE original surface coins that have never been dipped better? Yes, but the key word is ATTRACTIVE. Some coins have been dipped because the toning they had was ugly.

    Question: Chances are you won't buy an original coin that's ugly just because it has original surfaces, and I most certainly won't buy them.

    Answer: I'm quite the opposite. I'd rather buy an ugly original coin than a beautifully cleaned one any day. I love deeply toned coins particularly.

    That's exactly what you are doing. Dipped is NOT CLEANED. You should acknowledge the difference.

    I disagree. Dipped is the same as cleaning. Neither allows the coin to be original.
     
  20. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Fine, we shall agree to disagree. Just don't got dumping on other people's material. You are entitield to your opinion.
     
  21. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Which would you rather have?

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