Learning the Terms

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Chip Kirkpatrick, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. Chip Kirkpatrick

    Chip Kirkpatrick Well-Known Member

    Struggling to learn the proper terms and usage of terms involved in this fascinating but often confusing new hobby. So please tell me how I should properly refer to these anomalies that appear on these Kennedy half dollars.

    The first is where the verbiage is appearing within the confines of the rim. What is the proper lable for when this occurs and why does it happen?

    The second is where some “extra metal” appears to be attached to the “8” of the date. What is this called and why does it appear?

    Also is that extra metal on the “W” of “ We”? 5BCDCCE8-594D-424E-A324-435813FF6EA6.jpeg 1BB34ECD-3E6E-4647-8376-4FAA8E2F56F0.jpeg B9A04993-3FA6-4607-AB8A-CD140A5391A0.jpeg 5CD9DB15-F146-4FAA-83B9-2C482846A3EA.jpeg
     

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  3. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    it's all damage, someone or something cut that groove around the '85, probly a coin rolling machine, the extra metal on the 8 of the '98 is not extra, the 8 took a hit and the metal was pushed to the side, same with the W...
     
  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    IMO it looks like the W and the 8 took a hit which displaced some of the metal making it appear to you like extra metal. Wait for more opinions.
    I'm not being critical of you but was curious of what you meant by verbiage. I looked it up and verbiage means 'language that is very complicated and contains a lot of unnecessary words". Obviously you meant something else
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    He used the word properly.

    ver·bi·age
    [ˈvərbēij]
    NOUN
    1. speech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions.
      synonyms:
      verbosity · verboseness · padding · wordiness · prolixity · prolixness ·
      [more]
    2. the way in which something is expressed; wording or diction.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Not only does this book have photos and explains how errors occur, it also has a Glossary in the back which defines the terms used.

    OFFICIAL PRICE GUIDE TO MINT ERRORS.jpg

    Chris
     
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  7. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    @cpm9ball OK. Thank you for the correction. Now you're going to have me looking up the synomyms. lol
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @Chip Kirkpatrick - welcome! It is refreshing to see a self-admitted novice who's ready and willing to learn, instead of being argumentative and stubborn.
     
  9. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member


    How come I can't give that statement 2 likes?
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Because @lordmarcovan is a mod.:cool: Mods are supposed to be nice:happy: and kowtow:eek: to everyone.

    Chris
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    What's all this about cow toes? You spelled it wrong anyway. :cow:;)
     
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  12. toned_morgan

    toned_morgan Toning Lover

    Welcome to the hobby Chip!

    All of these are just damage caused by many things. The circle barely inside the rim is created when the coin machine counts the coins, and it can also be created when the crimping machine rolls the coins into rolls but does it too tight, so it cuts a "ring" into the coins on the ends. The "extra metal" you referred to is just scratches. However, if it were actually extra metal it would be called a die break. This is when a piece of the die literally breaks off and leaves a space where the metal is not compressed, so it stays elevated. This "extra metal" can also be made by a struck through error. This is self explanatory... The coin is struck, but something gets in the way, and it is imprinted onto the coin. This can be struck through grease from a worker's fingers, struck through cloth from a worker's shirt or something, struck through hair, struck through tape, and even sometimes struck through weird things like nails, paperclips, other coins, and wood. Don't be afraid to ask the community, because it wouldn't be fun to be confused about what type of error a coin has.
     
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  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    kow·tow
    [ˌkouˈtou]
    VERB
    1. act in an excessively subservient manner.
      "she didn't have to kowtow to a boss"
      synonyms:
      grovel · behave obsequiously · be obsequious · be servile ·
      [more]
    2. historical
      kneel and touch the ground with the forehead in worship or submission as part of Chinese custom

    Bow your head, slave!

    Chris;)
     
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  14. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    I covered it for you! :happy::happy::happy:
     
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  15. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Hmm. Cow toes and chips.

    Getting off on a bovine tangent here...

    Steve
     
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  16. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    My family, coming from the back woods of Tennessee and Alabama, enjoyed eating pickled pig's feet, and just about anything else they could catch, shoot or trap.
    Two of my favorites are squirrel and frog legs.
    The old saying about hogs is " You use everything 'cept the oink. "
     
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  17. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Cow tow. Someone does this.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    LOL at the perfectly grabbed photo.

    Sad face for the poor cow :(

    (Which is hypocritical of me, since I've enjoyed eating so many.)
     
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  19. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I gave it one for you. Now I can't give it a like for myself.
     
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