Well they say it can't be done but is has!!!!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by huntsman53, Mar 13, 2008.

  1. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    There has been a lot of talk concerning denominations being struck on the wrong planchets (i.e. Dime on a Cent Planchet, Cent on a Nickel Planchet, Dime on a Quarter Planchet, etc.)! It has been stated that a Cent cannot be struck on a Dime Planchet because the Cent Planchet would not fit into the Striking Chamber for a Dime. Well it has happened but probably because an already struck 1988-D Dime fell into the Strikng Chamber when the 1988-D Lincoln Cents were being minted. As noted on the slab and can be seen, the Cent was struck over an already minted Dime.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/MINT-ERROR-1988...goryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


    Frank
     
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  3. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Who said this? A dime planchet can easily fit into a cent collar in the press. It's a cent planchet that won't fit into a dime collar. So, if you see a dime struck on a cent planchet, that would be impossible.
    Guy~
     
  4. gatzdon

    gatzdon Numismatist

    It's not impossible, just extremely improbable. Such a strike would probably be a broadstrike also and would also probably never make it past the riddlers, but if it did make it to the FRB repository, then it probably would make it to a collector's hands.
     
  5. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Er I think your logic is backwards there. It is a dime that can not be struck on a cent planchet, not the other way around.

    The way the machinery is set up, it's nearly impossible for a planchet too big for the collar to get struck... thus a dime struck on a cent planchet would be nearly impossible (it could happen, but would be highly unlikely, and even if it did, would be unlikely to not get caught and let out of the Mint). However the reverse is entirely possible and has happened several times (still somewhat rare, but not unheard of).

    The coin linked here, if genuine, is a cent struck on a dime... a struck dime is smaller than a cent planchet and wouldn't have a problem getting struck with cent dies. Not common, but still possible. Much more likely than say, a struck cent getting struck with dime dies. That would be highly improbable.
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The larger planchet would also not fit through the feed tubes that feed planchets to the press, and the feed fingers won't pick up the larger planchet either. This means the larger planchet can't get to the coining chamber either. There are only two ways it could happen. If the press had been set up for striking a larger coin and then retooled for a smaller one, there is the possibility at a larger planchet may still be stuck somewhere in the press which could come loose and some how bouce around until it reached the coining chamber (assuming it doesn't fall out first). The second and more likely way is with the help of the press operator.

    I can't think of any examples of a small coin struck on a larger planchet.
     
  7. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    I think you got it backwards. A cent can not be struck on a nickel planchet....but a nickel can be struck on a cent planchet. The key to remember is that a larger coin planchet will NOT fit into a smaller collar.....so an off metal coin will always be struck with a larger set of dies.
    Such as quarter on nickel planchet......quarter on dime planchet.
    This means of course that since the dime is the smallest...you won't see a dime struck on a cent planchet, or a quarter planchet, or a nickel plachet...etc.

    I'll also say that this coin is over priced IMHO---$5000 is alot for such an error. Maybe I'm missing something in the auction that makes it worth more, but my dealer has had a few 11 cent coins in the past and they were always cheaper.
     
  8. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**


    Speedy,

    My quote
    should have read "a Cent cannot be struck on a Dime Planchet because the Cent Dies would not fit into the Striking Chamber for a Dime" This quote was in reference to a Cent cannot be struck on a Dime Planchet while Dimes are currently being minted!

    I only started this Thread as sarcasm to get some debate going! It seems that C.T. has become stagnated with small talk per say! It's great that the bashing and one-up-man-ship has slowed to a trickle but what happened to the good old honest debate??!!:smile


    Frank
     
  9. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

    Interesting coin...only thing is that NGC holder is not 10 years old. ;)
     
  10. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Good eye, DJ. That one got past me.
     
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