Crispus: Official mint or barbarous? Christian emblem?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by philologus_1, Apr 5, 2019.

  1. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    I recently added the Crispus shown below to my collection. Two questions:

    1. The portrait style makes me suspect that it *may* not be from an official mint. The face/profile seems a little amateurish for the period. Thoughts?

    2. Could that be an intentional Cross on the helmet? The equilateral Cross (+) appears on other coinage of Constantine's family. Crispus' coins are known to include Christian symbols, (one type has a very clear, undeniable Chi-Rho on a shield).
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    Thanks for any input!
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Supporter

    it's definitely unofficial.
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Looks barbarous to me.
     
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  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Since it's clearly barbarous and issued after the edict of toleration, there's no reason that the cross can't be an intentionally Christian symbol, but, in this case, one can never know for sure. Interesting coin, though, and in pretty nice shape.
     
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Definitely barbarous, but quite an interesting coin - perhaps more interesting than many of the official issues. I'm sure that if your coin could talk it would tell a very captivating story.
     
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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Supporter

    Rather than an equilateral cross, I would say the engraver was copying a star, which frequently appear on this issue from Trier. Below are two coins of Licinius with captives and standard, with a star near the base of the helmet.

    one example-


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    this example looks like an equilateral cross with dots in each corner


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    you sometimes see these four pointed stars on other issues, like on the helmets of VLPP from Siscia

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    Last edited: Apr 6, 2019
  8. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    I'm very appreciative for ALL the input! Thanks, Victor, for the time spent to post the detailed response with multiple examples!
     
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