Bitter? Just a tiny tiny bit.....

Know the feeling. Sold this coin:


66 holder

Next time I saw it, it was in a 67 holder.

Mark Goodman image.

 

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So what is the hardest thing to make a call on?
Cleaned and retoned or NT/AT?
Your initial post talked about AT while now you're taking about something else in "cleaned and retoned"

 

Color but you clearly are trying to play games. If you really have no idea maybe someone else will try and help you

 

I'm just asking rational questions based on your replies, but I see you don't have the answers or the ability to back up your reasoning.

 

I disagree...the two are the same coin yes but coin 1 top look at her cheek coin 2 bottom the color is off fingerprints on the cheek seen.
Now is it photo shopped lighting IDK but to my eyes the top coin skin is darker then the bottom.

 

It's possible something further was done, but I'm not certain.
@BigTee44 do you think anything was done to the coin?

Paddy- if you look BigTee said that the top picture is his (no fingerprint). So did the coin acquire a fingerprint plus become lighter and still straight grade? That makes things even worse if it was the case!

 

Grading classes could answer those questions.

I'd be more than happy to help find the sign up links if that would be helpful

 

Ok thats what I am saying....there been something done between ownership of Big Tee and the next owner.
Let me add yes the coin is eye catching but the straches over the eagle on the reverse ? That's passable? And the finger print can be seen on both coins the second it is seem more...as the color has been washed.

 

The print is definitely there on each image the bottom image of the same coin is or has been lighten....maybe so to use the finger print as a distraction as to what is truly going on....or perhasp the second person grading was his 1st day on the job.

 

Unless there are hairlines under the toning, the “cleaned” claim is bogus. BTW, I have never collected or studied Bust Half Dollars by die variety. Without a glass, looking at the coin, I could not tell you that is part of the die variety.

I looked at these photos and thought that they were photos of the same coin.

 

I don't think grading classes would help with your inconsistent answers.

 

Your choice. Not my problem

 

They are the same coin top was big tee coin he sold it and the new owner did something to it or greased a palm to get it to grade.

 

Look at the eye a dead give away of color change nose and mouth also .

 

It would actually give back the hobby to the collectors and numismatists. You know the ones who actually care about it.
Proper grades wouldn't change the market that much.

 

The US government does subjective grading of some things. Mostly things we put in our mouth, like meat and produce. I've had a long association with food animal production and am most familiar with beef grades. There are only 8 grades of beef as opposed to 70 grades of coins. Grading is entirely different from inspection and is done by different government employees. Inspection is mandatory and is a go/no-go determination of wholesomeness. Once a carcass is determined fit to eat, grading can be done to assign quality. Grading is optional, and the packing plant pays for it.

But guess what? There is a never ending stream of complaints about grading by producers, packing plants, retailers, and consumers. Individual graders are inconsistent day to day, graders differ too much in their judgment, graders are influenced by the breed, graders are influenced by sex of the animal, graders are stricter in some plants than others, there are too many grades, there are too few grades, etc. etc. Sound familiar?

Wherever people categorize things based on perceived quality, whether it's coins, diamonds or sides of beef, there will be differences of opinion and mistakes. Could government oversight of coin grading itself improve it? I doubt it. Government grading of foods is not without controversy. However, the government could play a meaningful role in eliminating and prosecuting deliberate bias, bribery, insider grading, etc.

Cal

 

Proper grades already happen. If someone doesn’t want to keep up with grading and wants to be stuck in a time warp that’s on them. I don’t have sympathy for being lazy about continued education

 

There are definitely similarities there. And most oppose government intervention in coin grading as it would only further bog down the system.

What most want is more consistency and fewer examples of the same coin grading differently in a short period of time (especially when we see swings from 65 to 68 or cleaned to straight graded).

 

Having worked in the food industry for over 50 years if most people knew what they are eating they would be eating!
Take ground beef years ago hamburger was ground at store level you knew exactly what was in the mix.... bull beef, trim, or even steak. The ground meat was tested for fat content at store level and marked as such.
If I ground a steak for a customer at 7:30 pm and then the customer did not buy it at 10 pm the end of my shift the package was marked as pet food and thrown in the freezer, ground beef never was sold after the day grounded.
Not any more stores get 50lbs tubes of ground beef which comes from the packing plant. In that 50 lbs. There could be 100 cows! Or more!!
There could be downer steers, far less than prime to say the least.
So you are correct standards have fallen big time.....and who's fault is that?
Well as a certified instructor in food handling and safety I can assure you that one day soon someone is going to blow the lid off the pot...as todays standards are a joke!
Big business should not be allowed to oversee themselves end of story! Food safety I take very serious as you can kill someone very easy,especially the elders and babies.
It took two plane crashes killing how many to prove that a major supplier of jets had some major issues to ground the fleet....and of course the one time leader of the free world was the last to ground planes! And why $$$$$$$$$$ big $$$$ a d the same thing is happen here....no one like to be monitored however there is this thing call trust.... and that the reason we need standards end of story.
Again in the last 50 years I've been a baker,bucher, retail foodstore manager ,worked for the Irish dairy board, worked for a un named meat producer from Philly,and once again for a gourmet food company.
And I can assure any reader of this post without regulations in the food industry we all be dead!
Big business needs to be controlled no matter what they are selling.
The need be regulated over seen,and held to a standard.
Food stores should be Subejected to inspection by both state and federal agency's monthly.
You have untrained employees making $10.10 an hour...Not even a lievable wage, so what makes you think they don't need be held to a higher standard?
Ya see until it hits home your mom and dad killed in an air crash.....your grandmother dying much to soon because some untrained kid didn't practice propper hygiene..... just like taxes no one like to pay them.... but when the bridge you pass over on the way to work fails and falls.....and you're killed.... oh different story.... sad as long as if doesn't happen to me or my family who gives a rats butt?
Wake up....to what is real.....not the fairy tails big business tells you!