1804 dollar

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Joshg1928, Mar 24, 2019.

  1. Joshg1928

    Joshg1928 Active Member

    I know this is 99.999% a counterfeit, but a guy is selling this in a lot of old coins for a few bucks. I’m waiting on more pics, weight, etc.

    Is it even worth getting my hopes up? Or should I go back to playing the powerball?
     

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If it sounds too good to be true, you can bet your sweet bippy that the Powerball is the best option.

    FYI - It's at $750 million for the Wednesday drawing.

    Chris
     
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  4. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Run Forest,run!
     
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  5. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I think the odds may be even higher than that. :)
     
  6. Joshg1928

    Joshg1928 Active Member

    Yeah I’d think the lettering would be more worn, and that the ding dong selling would do at least a quick google search.
    It’s the most decent fake I’ve seen in a while, I’ll keep on looking for my retirement plan. Thanks.
     
  7. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    That date look funny lol
     
  8. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    +1 to the above. However, if it's not being sold by a front for the Chinese counterfeiters. and it is truly just a couple of bucks, and the OTHER stuff is worth the "few bucks" then go for it, but use it as a filler, properly labeled as a copy.

    Steve
     
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  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    My God.... I just can't anymore.
     
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    All known 1804 dollars are accounted for.

    Check the edge. That is always the giveaway.
     
  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    It's fake.
    The Powerball is a rip-off - odds are 1 in 360 million. Still better than that fake coin.
     
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  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    After the Dupont robbery, there were a couple of them that disappeared from sight for a while, but both of those coins have been recovered. One of them was really banged up and in low grade BTW. The specialists grade it “Fine.” If it were a regular bust dollar, it would be close to a “cull.” There are no “discovery pieces” left to find. Here is a photo of what most would call the poorest known genuine 1804 Dollar

    1804 Dupont Dollar B&W.jpg
     
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  13. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Here is close to an 1804 Dollar as most any of us are ever going to get.

    1803 Dollar O.jpg 1803 Dollar R.jpg

    And here is another one, the 1804 British Bank Dollar. These were struck of the Spanish 8 reale coins.

    1804 British Dol O.jpg 1804 British Dol R.jpg
     
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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    The number struck was not definitively recorded (to my knowledge), so one could show up...

    But this coin is 100% fake, no doubt about it.
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Agree with Eddie. It's higher than that.
    Powerball odds to win the JP are 292,201,338-1.
     
  16. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    So I have a chance?
     
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  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Even if it was mint records back then were hardly conclusive. We've seen many differences in what the records say compared to what actually happened.
     
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  18. NumisNinja

    NumisNinja Active Member

    The chances of a dozen generations of humans existing for 215 years and not one of them noticed this rare and valuable coin until you came along one day scrolling thru Ebay auctions is the same odds of winning Powerball for 215 years in a row.
     
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  19. Shrews1994

    Shrews1994 Collecting is my passion.

    Why would you want to buy a counterfeit coin? Never do that...
     
  20. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think there is a gray area of what is the ethical thing to do: buy a counterfeit and reward the crooks or use the counterfeit to teach others about what NOT to buy. I think a good argument can be made for either choice.

    In this particular case, is the crook/counterfeiter being rewarded? The fake dollar may be several "transactions" away from the original counterfeiter. If bought to teach others does it really reward the counterfeiter?

    MANY of us on CT, I would guess, possess counterfeits, modern or ancient, contemporary or not. Somewhere I have a half dollar and buffalo nickel made of lead. I didn't buy them, my father somehow got them more than 60 years ago, probably someone who passed them to a young waitress in my parents' cafe as they are clearly poor examples.

    Would ANY of us who possess these counterfeits give them up? Throw them?

    Steve
     
  21. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Big difference between a modern fake of an old coin and a contemporary counterfeit that circulated around the time...
     
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