A Congregation of Bronzes

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  1. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    I had this urge to post some of the bronzes in my collection. All are Severan-era imperial and provincial. Sorry that this is just a casual photo taken with my phone, but I hope you enjoy them. Please feel free to post your favorite bronzes.

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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    What a fantastic group! Casual shots of trays are always fun to see. I think I'll make a digital jigsaw out of this one :)

    Two Geta damnatios? Lucky you!
     
  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I was wondering if that is what that was!

    Those are really cool @benhur767
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    very kool bronzes... and those countermarked damnatio's are the cat's meow! i wonder why those have countermarks....
     
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  6. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Thanks! You recognized the Getas right away. That means you know your stuff. ;)
     
  7. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Very cool image @benhur767 —Definitely a fun way to display your coins.
     
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  8. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Thank you for your comment!

    I've been reading up. The green one (near the top) is from Stratonicea. The countermark shows the head of Caracalla. It may signify a re-authorization of this coinage after the damnatio.

    The brown one (near the bottom) is from Pergamum. The countermark has been identified as an "animal" although truthfully it's hard to tell. This may or may not be related to the damnatio. Other examples of this type have a countermark showing a wreath, which were used before the dates that these were struck, and also afterward on coinage of Elagabalus. The reason for the wreath countermark is uncertain.
     
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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Beautiful group of bronzes. Group shots are always fun to see.
     
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  10. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    @Mat Thanks!
     
  11. Those Damnatios are awesome. I still need one in my collection.

    The coolest Geta Damnatio coin I've seen:
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    Comments from CNG's auction listing:
    "306, Lot: 252. Estimate $150.
    Sold for $2100. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    CARIA, Stratonicaea. Septimius Severus, with Geta. AD 193-211. Æ (36mm, 20.24 g). Brockage strike. Struck AD 209–211. Confronted busts of Septimius right and [Geta] left, each laureate and cuirassed, with gorgoneion on breastplate; c/m: laureate and draped bust right within oval incuse / Incuse of obverse (but both busts visible). For c/m: Howgego 84. Near VF, brown surfaces.

    A very interesting brockage strike. The obverse image of Geta was removed as part of the official damnatio, but the incuse image managed to escape the same fate!"

    Source: https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=236794

    - Michael
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Which Consecrato sestertius is that?
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    Which reverse is on your no-Getas? Hekate:
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    Most coins of Stratonicaea have countermarks but the ID of the marks is not always clear. This one had such a nice strike of the c/m that it erased Zeus' head on the reverse.
    Plautilla and Caracalla / Zeus
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    This SS and Domna lost its c/m the hard way. Was it Geta???
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    I do not mind the group shot but we always like to see both sides of the coins so you need a complementory one.
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    well, that's what i was thinking on those Getas...if caracalla only knew how his trying to erase his brother from history really worked out, he'd roll over in his grave by the roadside...^^..but when you're city/empire is based on a story of the brother who killed his brother guess it was acceptable there and then..idk...
     
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  14. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    @dougsmit Amazing coins, thank you! I dissasembled my group without turning them over to show the other side. When I get a chance I'll set it back up. In the meantime, here are better photos of the coins with Geta erased:

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    Caracalla and Geta. Caria, Stratonicea 202/205–9 CE. Æ 38, 25.27g, 12h. Signed by Hierokles Archiereus (magistrate). SNG Copenhagen —, von Aulock 2864 (this coin). Obv: AY KAI M AYP ANTΩNEINO; laureate bust of Caracalla right, facing bust of Geta on right side erased; Geta’s name erased in legend; countermarked with the bust of Caracalla. Rx: EΠI APX IEPOKΛEYC B CTPATONIKEΩN; Nike standing facing, head left, holding wreath and palm.

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    Caracalla and Geta. Mysia, Pergamum 198–211 CE. Æ 37, 22.70g, 6h. Signed by Klaudianos Terpandros Strategos (magistrate). SNG Copenhagen 501. Obv: laureate bust of Caracalla right, facing bust of Geta on right side erased, Geta's name erased in legend; countermark of animal(?). Rx: EΠI CTP KΛAYΔIANOY TEPΠANΔPOY / ΠEPΓAMHNΩN B NEOKOPΩN in exergue; Tyche standing left holding patera and cornucopia, crowned by Nike standing behind her.
     
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  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Excellent group of coins
     
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  16. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    What a luscious looking tray. :hungry: I especially like the middle bronzes; you have quite a few nice Elagabalus there! Is the elephant his? Not one you see very often!

    Here's my best Elagabalus middle bronze (also rare, but not as interesting):
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    And a Sev Alex:
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    Did you get any of those middle bronzes in the recent Leu sale that featured a bunch of them? (Both of the dupondii above are from that sale.)
     
  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    What a great-looking tray!

    They got a little lazy with this damnatio and only scraped off Geta’s face.

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    CARACALLA [AND GETA]
    Medallic AE. 17.85g, 36.2mm. CARIA, Stratonicaea, circa AD 209-211. Jason, son of Cleobulus, gramatteus. SNG von Aulock 2686; SNG Cop 512. O: Confronted busts of Caracalla right and [Geta - erased] left, both laureate, draped, and cuirassed; c/m: ΘEOY within rectangular incuse, head of Minerva right within circular incuse. R: Hecate standing left holding patera and torch; to left, hound standing left, head right.
    Ex Dr Walter Neussel Collection

    And here’s a Domna from that Leu sale of Imperial middle bronzes last year.

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    Julia Domna, Augusta, 193-217. As (Copper, 25 mm, 10.16 g, 12 h), Rome, 196-211. IVLIA AVGVSTA Draped bust of Julia Domna to right. Rev. MATER CASTRORVM / S C Julia, diademed and veiled, standing front, head to left, sacrificing out of patera over altar with her right hand and holding long caduceus with her left; before her, three standards. BMC 789. Cohen 121. RIC 881. Very rare. Minor deposits, otherwise, nearly very fine.
    From the G.G. Collection of Roman Imperial third century middle bronzes and from the collection of Friedinger-Pranter, privately acquired from Oberstleutnant Voetter on 29 January 1913 for 6 crowns.
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Thank you for the individual images of the Getas. Which Consecratio sestertius is that. There are no common Severan Consecratios so whichever one you have will be interesting to see.
     
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  19. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    Here is my Imperial large bronze portrait gallery how it was two and a half years ago:

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    Since then I have upgraded 24 coins and added another 12 individuals, so I hope to get them from the bank to the photographer and have an updated group shot assembled later this year.
     
  20. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    @Severus Alexander Thanks for sharing your cool bronzes. I did get a few bronzes from the Leu sale, but none are in the photo.
     
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  21. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    @dougsmit Here's my Septimius Severus Consecratio. I see you have the even rarer Caracalla Consecratio!
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    Septimius Severus. Æ sestertius (posthumous issue), Rome mint, struck under Caracalla 211(?) CE; 26.36g, 12h. BMCRE C49, C 90, Hill 1237, RIC 490b (Caracalla) (R3). Obv: DIVO SEPTIMIO SEVERO PIO; bare head r. Rx: CONSECRATIO / S | C in exergue; pyre in five tiers surmounted by quadriga.
     
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