1998-S LMC Double Struck & Rotated In Collar Proof Error

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  1. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    I found this among a large lot of coins that I recently purchased. How much would a proof error like this be worth? Thank you

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  3. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    Can't wait for replies from experienced members that specialize in error coins.
    @paddyman98 and Fred Weinberg, et al.
     
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  4. cpm9ball

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  5. thomas mozzillo

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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Isn't it interesting that these odd errors come from new posters?
     
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  7. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Perhaps it's not a coin. Perhaps it's only done with photography.

    I had a photo company once called Vivid Image Photo.
    I used to experiment with double exposures.
    One of my earliest cameras was a Kodak Pony 135. The great thing about this camera was you could reset the lens release without advancing the frame, which provided for double, triple, quadruple, etc., exposures.
    Double exposures are not only good for advertising pix but they're also good for fun and/or trick photography.
    The first exposure will be weak(er) and the second will be strong(er).
    Just as it looks in this photo.
    This photo appears to me to be a double exposure. The first shot is taken, then the coin is slightly rotated, then the second exposure is made on the same frame, which results in what we see here.
    I think someone is pulling our leg, trying to put one over on the Coin Talk !! members.
    or I'm completely wrong and a new variety has been discovered.
     
  8. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    BTW, fellow members, the name Mithril is taken from the series of books "The Lord of the Rings". It's the name for a mythical metal, mined by Dwarfs and used to make chain-mail.

    This, I believe, is just another sign of a prankster.
     
  9. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    This is a mint error, not a die variety. Each mint error is unique.

    https://www.pcgs.com/news/mint-error-or-die-variety
     
  10. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    The link you posted proves nothing about the coin(s) you posted photo(s) of.

    I still think it is a double-exposure photo.

    Surely, if you know as much about coins as you're trying to seem that you do, you know the most important thing you can do is submit the coin to a third party grader for authentication and slabbing.

    You should submit it, get it slabbed, bring it back and prove me wrong.
     
  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Looks like it was struck twice in the collar ....
    With some rotation off course ...
     
  12. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    Any thoughts on what it's worth? Thank you
     
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  13. rickmp

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  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It doesn't look right for a double struck error IMO. I would expect the higher pressure used to strike proofs would flatten any devices on the first strike (if you could even see them at all). Your coin appears to have rounded, raised outlines. Attached are some actual double strikes (photo credits on the pic) and they don't look anything like yours.

    I believe someone is playing games with photoshop, but will wait to see if more experienced error specialists have a different opinion.

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  15. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    There was no double exposure photography tricks and no photoshop editing. The pictures were taken with my iPhone camera.

    The first strike is difficult to see. I took the original picture at the angle that best highlighted the weak “LIBERTY” from the first strike. Here are some more pictures where the first strike is barely visible.

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  16. Rick Stachowski

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  17. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Interesting.. But I would like to see more pictures.

    Oh you just posted them.. great
     
  18. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I don't think they understand what double struck in the collar means .
    So I posted a article from coin world ...
     
  19. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Hook.. relax buddy. That is definitely not a double exposure. There is a actual Mint Error called a double struck rotated in collar.. Lets just see what we can come up with.
     
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  20. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    Thank you. This is the most similar auction I could find to a double struck and rotated in collar Lincoln proof cent, but the coin only shows obverse rotation and the degree of rotation isn't as significant as my coin, so I would expect the value of mine to be higher.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/199...-10170.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
     
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  21. mithril21

    mithril21 Member

    One more photograph. The coin also shows scuffing around the edge which may have been caused when it rotated in the collar.
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