Featured The Slabbed (NGC/PCGS) AT-QT (Artificial/Questionable Toning) Thread

Just barely, but ....QC

I've seen some crazy colors on cents, but this one seems to go a bit above the norm (I will add that it might just be the TruView being enhanced and that is why I'm on the fence)

 

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I took the TV direct from PCGS.

 

I meant that the original picture that PCGS took looks enhanced (I was not saying that you enhanced their picture)

 

Looks questionable to me.

 

AT/QT

 

AT - oil slick look

 

Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10(NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
Coin 39 - Franklin (pg. 37) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 40 - Mercury (pg. 38) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 41 - Silver Washington 25c (pg. 39) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 42 - Clad Ike (pg. 39) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 43 - Silver Kennedy (pg. 39) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 44 - MPL Cent (pg. 40) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 45 - Peace Dollar (pg. 42) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 46 - 1996 Nickel (pg. 43) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 8 (AT/QC)
Coin 47 - 1928 Peace Dollar (pg. 44) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 48 - 1955 Lincoln Cent (pg. 46) - 9 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 49 - 1963 Nickel (pg. 47) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 50 - 1955 Cent (pg. 47) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 51 - Walker (pg. 48) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 52 - Peace Dollar (pg. 48) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 53 - 2004 Lincoln 1c (pg. 49) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 9 (AT/QC)
Coin 54 - Capped Bust Half (pg. 50) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 55 - Indian Head 1c (pg. 51) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 56 - 1956 Franklin (pg. 53) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 57 - 1877-CC 25c (pg. 53) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 58 - 1953 25c (pg. 55) - 9 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 59 - 1955 10c (pg. 55) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 60 - 1962 PR 1c (pg. 56) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
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NT/MA: 37 total
AT/QC: 23 total

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Points:

ddddd - 14
BlackberryPie - 3
Lehigh96 - 2
TheFinn - 1
EyeAppealingCoins - 1
Mainebill - 1
Morgandude11 - 1

 

This Franklin has been discussed on a few other platforms, what do you all think?




Here was another instance of it receiving the same grade:


And a TruView image:

 

Looks like e-dynamics.

AT

 

@Skyman I saw your comments on the CU thread and was wondering if the slab photos change your thoughts at all.

 

I have no idea if at or nt but it is ugly and has zero eye appeal, imo.

 

QT, though the TVs make it look the worst.

 

I’ve seen toning like that in mint sets. I’m going to say nt but ugly

 

It’s ugly, and it doesn’t conform to any recognized pattern or color scheme which to me indicates it is QT/AT

 

I disagree with your contention that it is ugly so much that it forced me to sign in.

If it weren't for the reverse, I'd throw my weight behind NT, as the progression of the rainbow on the obverse checks out to me. However, that red/blue pattern on the reverse that's going on just don't look right, especially around the motto.

AT.

 

Give it time! It will sticker with CAC and will end up in a Legend sale where it will come with a glowing description and super inflated price.

I vote AT.

 

1962 AT

 

With regards to the 1955 Franklin...

For those of you on CT that do not know, this coin was posted on CU using SOLELY the TruView image.

Part of my reply was, "... Assuming the colors in the image are correct, IMO your Franklin is AT. There are a few indicators. First off, the untoned circular splotches on the obverse are often exhibited by coins that have a liquid applied. The splotches are where air bubbles have surfaced. This is somewhat supported by the kind of liquidy look of the obverse peripheral toning from roughly 11 to 3 o'clock. My best guess is that that area is where the liquid ponded. Second, the blue exhibited on the obverse and reverse is not your common 1955 blue, which tends to be a much darker blue. The blue that is exhibited on both your obverse and reverse is a color that is often seen on a well known coin doctor's productions. The "reddish" color of the upper area of the reverse, roughly from 10 to 2 o'clock is very commonly seen with the blue associated with this doctor's coin products..."

The slab images (given the auction sticker on the reverse I'm guessing they're GreatCollections auction images) do make the Franklin look closer to MA, and thus acceptable to PCGS.

The obverse colors still look off for a 1955 Franklin. The reverse blue and the purple above it look more acceptable in the slab image, than the blue/red combo in the TV. I will point out though that the circular splotchiness becomes much more noticeable on the reverse in the slab image than in the TV image. Still, those muted circular splotches on the reverse (by which I mean the planchet has some toning in the splotchy/circular areas) are a relatively common look on Mint Set toned Franklins. I still believe the coin is AT, but obviously PCGS called it MA.

 

What about the possibility that the rainbow color on both sides are NT and the rest of the coin was white? Then someone wanted to enhance the colors and whatever they used, came up with these weird colors, keeping the rainbow colors intact but removing some of it resulting in splotches of removed color?

Anyway QC.

 

Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10(NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
Coin 39 - Franklin (pg. 37) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 40 - Mercury (pg. 38) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 41 - Silver Washington 25c (pg. 39) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 42 - Clad Ike (pg. 39) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 43 - Silver Kennedy (pg. 39) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 44 - MPL Cent (pg. 40) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 45 - Peace Dollar (pg. 42) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 46 - 1996 Nickel (pg. 43) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 8 (AT/QC)
Coin 47 - 1928 Peace Dollar (pg. 44) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 48 - 1955 Lincoln Cent (pg. 46) - 9 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 49 - 1963 Nickel (pg. 47) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 50 - 1955 Cent (pg. 47) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 51 - Walker (pg. 48) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 52 - Peace Dollar (pg. 48) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 53 - 2004 Lincoln 1c (pg. 49) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 9 (AT/QC)
Coin 54 - Capped Bust Half (pg. 50) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 55 - Indian Head 1c (pg. 51) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 56 - 1956 Franklin (pg. 53) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 57 - 1877-CC 25c (pg. 53) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 58 - 1953 25c (pg. 55) - 9 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 59 - 1955 10c (pg. 55) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 60 - 1962 PR 1c (pg. 56) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 61 - 1955 50c (pg. 57) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
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NT/MA: 37 total
AT/QC: 24 total

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Points:

ddddd - 15
BlackberryPie - 3
Lehigh96 - 2
TheFinn - 1
EyeAppealingCoins - 1
Mainebill - 1
Morgandude11 - 1