Walker Rattler...what an upgrade!

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  1. mike79

    mike79 Member

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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    For a coin that the Bluesheet says is only $68 . . . Yikes!
     
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  4. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

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    Nice looking walker right there
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Coin facts has it valued at 18,000. Although I think that it fits in the 67 category compared to others that have been graded. I don't see it as a plus or a CAC. IMO it is a low end 67 because of the evident spotting on the OBV. I would even venture to say that what ever was spilt on the coin originally added to the skin on the coin.

    Legend just sold a 67+ CAC that is much closer to correct for the grade at 28,200$
     
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  6. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Lack of stickers isn't necessarily an indication of things not being sent. Upgrade guys don't get chased off by a sticker.

    That said CAC is the decision of the consignor with GC so if the consignor doesn't want it they will list as is. Of course the consignor also may not want it because it's already been tried but that is a whole different conversation.
     
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  7. mike79

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    I was just looking at it from the angle that a green-beaned rattler makes most buyers assume that the coin in the holder is 'maxed-out' grade-wise.

    I would find it difficult to believe GC tried CAC when it was in the rattler at 65, and it didn't even achieve a green bean, which it certainly seemed worthy of....
     
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  8. mike79

    mike79 Member

    the GC one has quite a bit of chatter along the hand/hip/skirt area, esp. compared to the Legend one which is pretty close to flawless IMO
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    I was speaking in general not that specific coin. People that actually are successful consistently in upgrades don't get scared by a sticker.

    As far as the coin itself, yes it almost certainly wasn't sent to CAC first which was likely the wishes of the consignor.

    This isn't a knock on GC at all, but they aren't going to waste time arguing with consignors who say no CAC
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is pretty obvious that that sale price pretty much ignored the CAC sticker anyways.
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Not really, venue matters on elite items. Legend consistently gets some of the best prices for elite items.

    GC is a good venue for a lot of things, but there is a reason why Legend and Heritage get better prices on elite items
     
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  12. mike79

    mike79 Member

    the deepest pockets for toners go to Legend for sure

    if the GC coin was sold at Legend, it would've used the TrueView style pics and had a couple of paragraphs describing/lauding the coin as well
     
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  13. mike79

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  14. baseball21

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    Completely agree. GC is a very good venue for a lot of things, but the lack of marketing on elite items does make a difference in prices.
     
  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Let's be honest the two coins don't even compare as far as quality goes. Yes, part of it is the venue, but still not enough of a reason to sell at half the coin facts price guide. I think they stretched the grade to far, even by your standards. ;)
     
  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You are now a proponent of coin facts price guides?

    Venue makes a huge difference since like you said "lets be honest"
     
  17. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Actually it is an inferior coin. And bought that way, unless your talking about putting it on Venues that cater to the folks with more money than smarts. Then I could see your point.
    A perfect view/example of gradeflation.


    I'd a rather seen the coin sent to CAC in the Rattler. And JA said that it deserved a Gold Bean.... It surely would be more attractive in my opinion.
     
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  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It's always sad when people work backwards to try and prove their theories and pretend they are an expert.

    It's even sadder when they try and discredit people for being successful.

    Unfortunately even though some of us try and help people others just want to push their agenda or so it seems.

    Anyway facts are what should matter
     
  19. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I'm a big fan of gold beans, too, but the registry set guys want the grade on the holder, for the points. So a gold bean doesn't help them "win."
     
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  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    You honestly believe that?
     
  21. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Yes I do. I know a guy with several registry sets. He's ranked no. 2 in one category. The higher the grade on the holder, the more points the coin is worth. So while gold beans look cool, they don't translate in a points race. Common sense, really.
     
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