More than one of a type

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Some collectors like a particular type and collect its variants. We have some on this forum who like FEL TEMP REPARATIO coins from various mints:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/another-mint-set-almost-done-fel-temps.304228/#post-2876532

    One of our members admitted to completing a set of 13 "hut" mints:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/fel-temp-reparatio-hut-type.259251/page-2

    and another showed 16 "soldier-spearing-fallen-horseman" coins.

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/top-fel-temp-reparatio-coins.306797/

    I admit I have a bit of an interest in another common type:

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    Diocletian, 284-305, struck at Trier
    27-26 mm. 9.23 grams.
    IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG
    S in left field, F in right field. IITR in exergue
    RIC Trier 524a "c. 302-303."

    I like GENIO POPVLI ROMANI folles for their heft and affordability in good condition. After a while one can begin to see stylistic differences between the different mints and it seems interesting to get another one from a different mint. And then another. And then ... . There are eight emperors who issued the type, so that set would be interesting to fill out, too. After enough years, one might get to this stage:

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/Diocletianfolles.html

    That is the first page of a five-page website I posted today. Take a look. I solicit corrections and suggestions. I checked, but please let me know if any links are broken.

    We have had threads on GPR coins before, including
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/genio-popvli-romani.328458/
    and
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/di...liest-post-reform-coins-from-lugdunum.311422/

    We have posted many many GPR coins before. Rather than pile on with GPR coins we've seen before, I'd like to see (as I titled this thread) "More than one of a type" and a few words about how you came to see the set as interesting.

    Look at the site: http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/Diocletianfolles.html
    and jump to the other pages if your don't want to see details of too many coins of Diocletian.
     
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  3. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Very interesting, and well outside my usual area of interest and collecting style, but interesting nonetheless. I have enjoyed a number of your pages now Valentinian, thanks.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    This coin caught my eye in my first months of collecting. I saw that it was restruck with modified ring-shaped dies and realized that must be something very unusual, and indeed that is the case. I don't think there are any other instances of an ancient coin being re-struck with such an unusual die, one which selectively preserved the devices while overstriking the legends. The coin was in a G-N Pecunem auction in their early days before they had so many bidders (many bargains!). I hogged a second example a few years later. One day I hope to buy the unrestruck version of the coin. It is proving more difficult to find that the ring die restrike!

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-puzzling-provincial-of-germanicus-and-drusus.264079/

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    LYDIA, Sardes (... or maybe not)
    Germanicus and Drusus
    Struck CE 23-26?
    restruck (outer portion only; altering the legends) by Asinius Pollio, proconsul of Asia under Caligula, CE 37-38?
    Æ26, 13.78 gm
    Obv: ΔPOYΣOΣ KAI ΓEPMANIKOΣ NEIOI ΘEOI ΦIΛAΔEΛΦOI; Germanicus and Drusus seated left on curule chairs, one holding lituus.
    Rev: ΓAIΩ AΣINNIΩ ΠΩΛΛIΩNI ANΘYΠATΩ; KOINOY/ AΣIAΣ within wreath
    Ref: RPC 2995, Sear 365
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'd also happily acquire ever known example of these Tyrian provincials which show Dido overseeing the building of Carthage. I had a second example of the Elagabalus coin but Zumbly talked me out of it. Hopefully I'll eventually acquire one of from each emperor/empress who has the reverse type.

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    PHOENICIA, Tyre. Elagabalus
    CE 218-222
    AE29, 13.4 gm
    Obv: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Dido building Carthage; she stands to front before the arched gate of the city, looking left, holding a rule and transverse sceptre; above the gate, a mason at work, [below, a man digging with pick]; murex shell in upper field, palm tree to right
    Ref: Rouvier 2375; BMC 409; AUB 245; Price & Trell 748
    This coin is shown on Mark Staal's website, on the page discussing coins depicting Dido.
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-the-building-of-carthage.254625/


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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I only have one of each and neither are high end. Nice ones are not easily found.
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Not what you asked for, but I wanted to point out that in addition to GPR legends, there are several other legends for the same reverse type and time period. Here are some of them, all with the genius with patera and cornucopia reverse, that I have in my collection at the moment:

    GENIO AVGVSTI (also GENIO AVGVSTI CHM [lignate])
    GENIO CAESARIS
    GENIO AVGG ET CAESARVM NN
    GENIO IMPERATORIS
    BONO GENIO PII IMPERATORIS
    GENIO EXERCITVS

    There is also an interesting, but frequently overlooked, sub-series of 1/4 nummi from Siscia with the GPR reverse. So lots of collecting possibilities for tetrarchy fans.
     
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  8. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    And the GPR type comes with long form and short form legends.

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  9. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Lovely coins! I haven't yet found the pull to collect coins by mint etc (it fascinates me that such a feat is possible for Alexander tets, later Roman and even Sassanian coins!) For now I am content with the already herculean task of collecting one of each emperor plus their wives and sometimes kids or dead relatives.

    What I do love, is the veritable death march that is trying to reconstruct the evolution of the Indo Sassanian coin series, and I have been working most intesively on the early Gadhaiya coins:
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    Only three authors have written about this series, and all three (even Maheshwari!) simply skim over them and offer no insights or analysis.
     
  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a plethora of GENIO types with varying reverses. The smallest coin is a quarter follis of Severus II from Siscia. I also like my GENIO IMPERATORIS of Cyzicus struck under Maximinus Daia.

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  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Well, I have a page on those too!

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/qf/

    I think I have every variety!
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    The "quarter follis" (or "fraction") denomination which is c. 19 mm as opposed to 27-28 mm of the usual GPR type. 2.25 grams (as opposed to 8-11 grams for the full size follis), 12:00.
    Maximian, struck 305
    IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS PF AVG
    RIC VI Siscia 146, "R3" plate IX.
    (RIC rarities are badly out of date. See here for up-to-date relative frequencies)
    Failmezger 29
     
  12. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I do, incidentally have a few Genio types in my Roman collection, but only one GPR:

    Maximian
    Maximian follis genio.jpg

    Galerius (GENIO IMPERATORIS)
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    Maximinus II (GENIO AVGVSTI)
    Maximinus ii daia follis genio augusti.jpg
     
  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  14. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    What Finn is trying to do for the early Gadhaiya coins, i have done for some later Northern Indian types. Then one may arrive at something like this for a single coin type:
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  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

  16. arizonarobin

    arizonarobin Well-Known Member

    My "more than one of a type". It's more like an obsession that I need a support group for- with just over 100 in my Stobi collection right now.
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  17. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    I'd gone through a spurt (well, maybe 2 or 3) where I picked up 1 or more of this late Roman SALVS REIPVBLICAE AE4 type. I haven't taken them all out and gotten them together for a while, so this thread was a good excuse. The emperors include Arcadius (he sounds like a fun dude), Theodosius I, Valentinian II (and I might have an Honorius in there too...? I didn't check). Some have a Chi-Rho, some a Cross. They are usually pretty cheap, and being a designer, I like the visual/graphic-ness of them. Specifically, my fave is the Arcadius, top row, third from the left... The sandy "patina" contrasting the black tone, and big graphic font. And it has nice detail and strike for the type.

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  18. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    I hear ya... I'm dang near that 100 number with my Roman Antioch collection. Would you like support towards getting more Stobi? Cuz I could probably offer you that! :rolleyes::cool: But I'm sure I'd be no good at supporting you in stopping... :bored::shifty:
     
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  19. arizonarobin

    arizonarobin Well-Known Member

    100 of Antioch is fantastic, that is a great mint to collect- lots more variety than Stobi.
    I don't need much support to get more, I think I added two this week. :shame:
     
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