1812 Bust Half, GTG

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by TypeCoin971793, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    PCGS graded this one MS-62, which was (surprisingly) the top of the condition census for this variety.

    With the buyer’s premium, just over $3200. Given the date, variety, strike, and its position on the condition census, I was really surprised. I would have paid that much easily had I the money. A sleeper for sure!

    Same here.
     
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  3. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I guessed 64, before seeing the reveal. Definitely MS, but I'm surprised at only a 62.
     
  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Must be low on luster for that grade... because there's nothing else wrong with it.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    A real beauty
     
  6. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I believe they graded it very conservatively just because the price guide values increase significantly in the MS range...
     
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    This doesn't make sense to me. The graders see 6 figure coins on a relatively frequent basis. Why would they think twice about a $4000 or $5000 coin? And why would they downgrade it due to it's potential value? That would be doing the hobby a disservice, and would mean that there are tens of thousands of undergraded coins all because the graders are "afraid they're worth too much."
     
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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That’s my thought. Here is the PCGS trueview (the plate coin for CoinFacts):

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  9. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I am confused on this point as well. Doesn't the grading fee slide with the value of the coin? That is, a higher market value means a higher grading fee realized for the TPG?
     
  10. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    It’s not about the total value of the coin. I would expect them to select the lower grade if they’re on the fence, as the price increases significantly with each grade.
     
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  11. Kim Greenwood

    Kim Greenwood New Member

    Great looking coin. I would have paid that myself. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
     
  12. Magnus87

    Magnus87 Active Member

    As others above, I’m in awe of this coin. My take is: minimum MS, say 64-65 (even more, if coins of this vintage get slabbed that high; do they?)
     
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I don't know how high these grade. But that coin is wonderful. Thats got to be MS 64 stuff.
     
  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Was afraid to go that high. Thanks
     
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking
     
  16. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I don't see this coin on the fence. TPG affraid to pull the trigger.
     
  18. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I'm not sure I agree with most opinions that the coin is under graded.

    Unless my eyes deceive me, Miss Liberty's cheek and jaw look a little "busy" to me, although they appear to have been disturbed very long ago, and toned over naturally. Perhaps I'm seeing slide marks and nothing more, but I suspect they draw one's eye more easily when examined from angles other than those from which the photos were shot.
     
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