NGC fake or mistake?

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  1. Coinsallday

    Coinsallday New Member

    Hey all, I recently purchased a 1941 D Mercury Dime in a NGC slab. After getting home and looking at the NGC database photos based on the Cert #, they have a different coin pictured than what’s in my slab. My 1st thought was that I had gotten a counterfeit coin. But the odd thing is after looking at NGCs photos more closely, it doesn’t even appear to be a 1941 coin in the slab. It looks more like a 1943 dated coin. Please take a look and let me know your thoughts. The coin I purchased is a golden toned color (1st three pictures). The coin from the NGC database is more of a blast white (last three pictures).
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @Coinsallday

    If you are a member of the NGC Collectors Society, you can post your question in the forum, "Ask NGC". They will probably be able to give you the best answer rather than asking someone else.

    Chris
     
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  4. Coinsallday

    Coinsallday New Member

    Thanks Chris. I am a member and just asked over there.
     
  5. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That is certainly unusual!
    It appears that NGC made a mistake when they were holdering the coins.

    If you look up the number right before your coin,
    4872651-001
    you will find your coin but with a label that has the 1936 year!
    How all this happened, I'm not sure.


    https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4872651-001/64/
     
  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Perhaps whoever sold the coin, had the labels corrected but NGC has not updated their images on the cert verification page.
     
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  7. Coinsallday

    Coinsallday New Member

    That’s wild!! How did you find that so fast? Is there some search engine or NGC link? I have the app. Just curious as to how knew what cert number to search for.
     
  8. Coinsallday

    Coinsallday New Member

    Sorry, I just reread your 1st reply. Please disregard my last response. Many thanks!!!
     
  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    You're welcome!

    I just decided to look up the cert number that was one number before yours and got lucky in finding your coin.
     
  10. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    It definitely looks like a different coin to me. Wish you the best. Please let us know how you make out!
     
  11. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I bet someone submitted multiple coins and NGC mixed up which ones went in which slabs. The original owner then sent them back to be corrected and they were reholdered. They then did not their database.

    This mistake is a bit more common than people think.
     
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  12. Prez2

    Prez2 Well-Known Member

    Wow. That won't help NGC's reputation of being somewhat less than PCGS, will it? Hard to believe that one. QC slipped a bit for sure.
     
  13. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Mistakes like these are certainly embarrassing, but both services make them. NGC and PCGS are both known to have released multiple "mechanical errors."

    Both services will tend to fix them as long as someone points out the mistake. And they usually will do it for free.

    Also, some people do collect these "errors" and the slabs with inexpensive coins tend to garner a bit of a premium.

    Here's one of my favorite "mechanical errors."

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  14. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I dont see whats wrong with the label
     
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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Take a second look. ;)
    Start with the grade and then look at what is under it. :p
     
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  16. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    For those still wondering what is wrong with the PCGS label, one can't have both a grade (MS 66) and Details (Questionable Color). The same coin can't be both problem-free and details.
     
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  17. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    My fav is buying a mechanical (1851O trime listed as 1851) from a dealer while discussing the loon across the aisle trying to sell a low MS 1962 Frankie listed as 1963. For $500...
     
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  18. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Ahhhhh. Got it
     
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  19. Coinsallday

    Coinsallday New Member

    Update on the slab. I took @cpm9ball advice and reached out to NGC through the collectors society. @ddddd and @JCro57 were right. I heard back from the seller and NGC. The seller said he himself submitted this coin along with others. And there were about 12 mistakes made in the lot he sent in. He sent them back and they corrected their mistake. NGC verifies this and confirmed that the coin was authentic. The lady I spoke with, has put in a request to remove the images from their site to avoid further or future confusion. Thanks guys. Hit the nail square on the head.
     
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  20. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    For me, the best part is trying to figure stuff out
     
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