Why is He So Popular?

Based on the fact that the rules of exhibiting ONLY EXCLUDE items contrary to law, such as, for example, color copies of currency of certain sizes, or certain items subject to copyright issues (see: Disney in unapproved form), and the law is now clear to the ANA; Dan Carr's works are legal. (as are Bernie's, as of lately)

 

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You seem very concerned about the legal credentials of people who are disagreeing with you. This seems like a good time for you to remind us of your own.

 

Just remember what you quotes me earlier, never underestimate the stupidity of people.

Don't get sucked into it. We both know the ANA's opinion would actually hold weight in a numismatic trial when one is taken. Some of us deal in facts others portray feelings of how we want things to be

 

What forum would that be, then? There is only one. A federal courtroom. And the ONLY people with standing to bring that complaint are declining to do so. Hence we have the only answer that matters - the status quo.

Just so you know, up until the federal government changed their policy on vonNothaus' coins, they were not eligible to exhibit at the ANA shows, but now they are.

The clear trend is loosening of scrutiny, not tightening, as much as some might want that.

 

If you like a Carr item, buy it. If you don’t, don’t buy it. Simple.

 

No one has advocated barring displays of his coins or Carr's pieces. I don't think anyone objects to a display of contemporary counterfeits like Henning nickels or Omega gold either.

FWIW, the Von Nothaus case was an overreach by the government. My point was that no one should be blanketly declaring his pieces to be legal or representing that the pieces have been adjudicated as such. The issues are more nuanced and complex than anyone in this thread will admit, and people have the right to know that it remains an open question in the absence of an adjudication before spending large sums of money for his pieces.

 

Apparently, in Ohio, coin photographers get to decide what you may, and may not, buy. Just going by what I've read.

 

No, it's not the least bit either complex or nuanced. There is only one entity that has legal standing to bring the case, the Department of Justice as represented by the Denver, CO office of U.S. Attorney. He or she knows about Dan's operation. Burdette the Miserable made sure of that. They've decided to stand down. That ends it until and unless there is a policy change, which MIGHT happen someday, but there is no sign of it. No "cease and desist" letter. No letter of inquiry. Nothing. None of us are getting any younger. Time marches on. No academic argument holds ANY water. The inaction of the U.S. Attorney at Denver BY ITSELF makes what Dan is doing "legal".

By the way, Dan's operation and ANA HQ are served by the SAME federal court system, the SAME Circuit Court of Appeals, AND the SAME District Court and U.S. Attorney's office. Communication is not a problem.

 

I haven't seen anything remotely appealing about his products. The overstrikes look edited

 

Somewhere Stalin and Chairman Mao are smiling in their graves that people are making the asinine argument that things are only legal if a court has heard the case and said so. I guess there's ambiguity about blinking only one eye at a time, having 4 pillows on a bed, whether or not you can double knot your shoelaces and many other things as well since after all a court hasn't heard a case about that specifically yet.

 

You can use virgin blanks to strike tokens, but nothing similar to that issued as coins by a government with a denomination on them. Unless of course, you are Chinese and Ebay is your fence.

 

The cult-like followers I can handle, i.e., to each their own, and they generally don't care if you don't want to collect these issues, like them, or even if you are kinda 'meh' about it, in that you might or might not get real satisfaction in owning one.

The almost cult-like demonizers are more difficult to deal with, because not only do they not like these issues seeing the light of day, and prefer not to have them in their collections (obviously) but they seem to be on a mission to create hate towards the creator and stigmatize or antagonize the people who are ok with them, primarily by attacking on the 'it's really counterfeiting' (even though, clearly, he'd have been, at the least, shut down by the government by now if they believed that or thought they had a great case, since he is so out in the open) basis. But sometimes using a tactic of saying it is not 'really' numismatic but some sort of (dang, I don't think I can get away with using the word I'm wanting here) version of a numismatic item, and somehow even more horrible than the Chinese type counterfeiters. News alert: It isn't. Not the same thing. It is art on a different level, in a world where some collectors just can't stomach the thought that others might actually want them, compounded by Daniel Carr's temerity to use actual legal coinage as his base.

 

Word of the day - temerity.

 

Note to the hotel I stayed at for the NYINC last weekend: Watch out, boys!

 

Okay, @Pickin and Grinin put me over the top - my 10,000th CoinTalk like.

B10K - Bellman's 10,000th like.

 

One of the synonyms is one of my favorite words, too. And a favorite thing to have - impudence.

 

You haven't lived until you've been impudent at the right moments.

 

Somehow, I feel I need to be impudent in England before I die.

 

Didums him use naughty word?