Why is He So Popular?

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  1. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

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  3. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Also, the US Mint struck about 2 billion Quarters with his designs on them; Rhode Island and New York. That’s pretty cool!
     
  4. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    And Washington DC. But not Made by him. exnu (70).JPG exnu (71).JPG
     
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  5. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Restrikes I own:

    1964 Morgan (High grade version)
    1918 Peace Dollar (High grade version)
    1965 Peace Dollar (High grade version)
    1916 Barber Half (High grade version)

    I like them, so I added them to my collection. I also have some of his Silver Cobs.

    Oh, and to answer the actual Threads question "Why is he so popular?" IMO, he makes interesting stuff in excellent quality and he's NOT a big government mint.
     
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  6. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    This thread is opening a can of worms and no good will come from it as people who have no legal training or legal knowledge whatsoever try to debate things that are well beyond their pay grade and knowledge base. I am amused by those that make blanket declarations unsupported by anything other than their desire to make something true - kind of like a kid that must believe in numismatic Santa and refuses any evidence to the contrary - or to cover their own butt. Carr has an almost cult like following.

    People like his work. Apparently there is some market demand for it.
     
  7. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    You're not a lawyer and should not be giving legal advice or representing your opinions as conclusive of the underlying questions of law. This is well beyond the pay grade of a secretary to a state legislator.
     
  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I am speaking as someone with over 10 years service as a statute drafter, sir, the most recent being today. I am stating he has a legal loophole for one reason and one only - I've researched it with staff lawyers with more legal experience than most FIRMS have. That and the federal prosecutors are WELL aware of what Dan is doing, and refuse to attempt to intervene.

    I'll also add that according to Joe Bolling, Chief Exhibit Judge for the ANA, that Dan's pieces, ALL of them, are now eligible for exhibiting in ANA exhibits, "because" and I quote, "they are legal". That ends it for now for numismatic industry purposes until and unless something changes.
     
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  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Save your energy and don't get sucked into derailing the thread. Some of the haters will never be satisfied even if the Supreme Court said he was fine. Internet "experts" always think they know more when it comes to him even though he has been out in the open for YEARS and still no charges and the ANA dismissed the complaint against him too.
     
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  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    What the "haters" miss is that determining "legality" is MUCH MUCH MUCH more than parsing a statute, ANY statute. It involves case law, and prosecutorial action or the lack thereof. Statute is but the first grade graduation. A potential litigant may rely on chronic inaction by prosecutorial authorities as a compelling defense. If not, all these medical marijuana growers in half our states would be in imminent danger. People are entitled to the benefit of chronic failure to prosecute.

    There are literally thousands of obsolete statutes on just the books of my state. Try prosecuting on one. But there they are, in black & white. TO THIS DAY, the South Carolina CONSTITUTION says you have to pass a literacy test in order to vote. Try enforcing that one.
     
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  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Kurt you're using facts that's a big no no in this topic.

    They feel it should be illegal so it must be
     
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  12. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Then they should be arguing it as a "should be" and not an "is". It's an interesting argument as a "should be". As an "is" it's a crashing bore.

    If the federal policy at the Denver U.S. Attorney's office were to change, the FIRST step would be a "cease and desist" letter to Mr. Carr, which has not happened.
     
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  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I see what you did there, but I'm not sure you did it on purpose.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Not to mention the almost cult-like demonizers.
     
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  15. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    BS. I couldn't care less about some esoteric, unimportant state statute. Anyone can draft language to be considered by a legislature. Many legislators don't even know what many of the bills mean nor are they trained in interpreting them and applying them. If laws were well written there would be far fewer lawyers. You're out of your league.

    When his opinions have the binding force of law then we should care. That doesn't end anything for numismatic purposes.
     
  16. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    I haven't seen any criticizer with a huge following or disciples yet.
     
  17. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Well, for the hobby's largest educational organization it does, because the ANA's legal counsel agrees, and unless a court intervenes, her word goes.
     
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  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Not enough mirrors in your house?
     
  20. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Based on what? There have been no official positions taken that I am aware of, only a dismissed complaint by Roger Burdette based on the weakest claims and evidence. The dismissal simply noted the lack of a prosecution thus far.
     
  21. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. This is why it is something for the real professionals to decide in a legal forum and not an armchair lawyer want to be on Coin Talk.
     
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