error orientation penny 1931-D

Regardless of you saying the scratch is not visible to the eye except with photographic enlargement, I am quite familiar with Lincoln cents, and I can tell you that should I have that coin in hand, with lighting available, I would not miss seeing it without using a magnifier, and using a 7X loupe, it would be fully clear to be damage and not an acceptable bag mark. And no grader worth his salt would miss it or mis-classify it, either. So please stop trying to put forth a viewpoint that is impossible.


Also, most here seem to think that it is not an uncirculated coin, and even without the damage, would not make MS65.

 

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Beautiful is not required, accurate is.

 

Again, those scratches are a killer for grading this coin. Personally I wouldn't look twice at this coin, rotation or not. It's a details coin due to the obverse damage.

 

yes we all want to have or buy a MS65 but not everyone has the desire to spend 2 thousand and then the hill I also sell for an AU55 with 100 dollars so the scratch is not seen with the naked eye

 

If you sell this as a straight AU55 claiming it is not damaged, then you are committing fraud. Your coin is damaged and will never grade straight. You also have no knowledge you've put in your head despite everyone here that attempts to give you good info.

 

@gianni ...addressing the rotation...based on the mirror pic you supplied...the rotation does not look to be more than the normal allowance for variance...definitively, it appears to be approximately 12 to 15 degrees...Spark

 

does any of you have a penny lincoln 1931-D to figure out if only being mine with a misaligned orientation between the straight and the wrong side or else the others turn out with this misalignment?

 

It is unlikely the way coins are minted that having a cent with mis-alignment means all will be that way, or that checking against another of the same year and mint can resolve it.

More than one or two sets of dies are used, and the mint does not purposely refuse to align them all the same (correct) way. It is astronomically impossible for a run of 4.5 million coins minted in one year to all have the same mis-alignment. Each die has a life-span of use and has to be retired from use. Current life of dies are about two days of use.

Possibly 4.5 million coins produced could mean hundreds of dies needed, and they don't just use one machine.

 

What's that shiny stuff on the coin?
It looks like lacquer.

 

I understand but today some 1931-D specimens will have survived a few hundred and I think that in this forum there is someone who owns it so I can define it as alignment, my being misaligned about 25 degrees to the right. I think that 99% of the 31-D is with regular alignment, I personally own about a hundred between 1920/1933 and all are aligned at 180 degrees. thanks for collaboration

 

US Mint tolerance for Rotated Dies is 27 degrees.


They are not collectable until the rotation is a minimum
of 45 degrees (when flipped over, the top of the reverse
points to either 1:30 or 10:20 if it's a CCW)

It sounds like the OP's coin is well within tolerance -
and even if it were 30 instead of 27, there are no
collectors that I am aware of that would pay a premium
for it. On Ebay, yes, it might bring a few dollars premium.

Hope this info helps.

 

Hi Fred, it's Craig. Holy crapoly, 27 degrees?!? Is that plus/minus or the range? Any idea of when that tol came in to being?

BTW, how you been? Will you be at the ANA Spring Show in P'burg?

 

It's posted on the Presses at the Mint.
Took a photo of it when I was there about
10 years ago for a special Floor Tour of the Philly Mint.

Somewhere I have a photo of the sign on the
Press saying that - (can't find it now).

Don't know exactly when that was first official,
but I assume it's been for the past 50 +++ years.

Yes, that's + - 27 degrees.

No, I won't be doing the 'Mid-Winter' ANA in
Pittsburg this year.........

 

Thanks, I'll let JD know. He and I had a conversation about this some time ago. Neither of us were quite sure, except he recalled being told that +- 5 was considered completely normal.

Darn, I'm not going to ANA. Oh well, we'll catch up sometime. Take care. You post the coolest stuff.

 

I’m sure there is some coins that were struck with the same die in the same position as yours. However many of them could have been lost in the ground or melted or a host of other things that could destroy a coin. You might get lucky and find another example, but it might take a lot of searching.

 

the misalignment between straight and reverse be tolerated within a 5 degrees on this penny we are close to 30 degrees and be remarkable and very visible

 

Tolerance +/- 27 degrees, see post #31

 

so we are outside the limits tolerated if they were over 30 °. in these cases how is the coin defined?

 

One of the prior posts said that looking at your
mirror photo, it's about 15 degrees rotated.

Even if it's 30 degrees, that's the same as 27 degrees, imo.

No value, no premium as an error -

 

and who says this !!! and if a collector wants to buy a particular penny of '31 -D uncommon who can forbid him to spend his money ?? a coin with a certain particularity not common to others always be appreciated and sought, at least in Italy works like that and I think also in america as the market of double die (non-common coins) is snapped up in auctions. there are collectors who love to buy only MS65 and there are collectors who like to buy the imperfections of the coins