Future Dynastic Success?

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    The postman recently delivered another great coin!


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    Domitian as Caesar
    Æ As, 10.65g
    Rome mint, 76 AD (Vespasian)
    RIC 932 (C). BMC - .
    Obv: CAESAR AVG F DOMITIANVS COS IIII; Head of Domitian, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: S C in field; Spes stg. l., with flower
    Acquired from @Ken Dorney, January 2019.

    Spes, the goddess of hope, is seen here as an 'heir apparent' type. She is represented on Roman coins as a young girl, reminiscent of earlier Greek statues depicting Elpis. H. Mattingly in BMCRE II says 'the flower held by Spes is an opening bud, she is raising her skirt in order to hasten forward'. Spes occurs quite commonly throughout the Flavian coinage and is frequently paired up with the young Domitian Caesar, likely expressing a hope or expectation for future dynastic success. It is very Ironic that Spes is often associated with Domitian Caesar on the coinage, considering he would later be the family member most responsible for the dynasty's downfall in 96. Surprisingly, this common Spes type is not in the BM.

    The obverse features a quintessential Flavian portrait - unflattering hook nose with full and heavy facial features. The dark green patina is an additional bonus.

    Thanks Ken!
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    That sounds reasonable, although on the occasions in which I wear a floor length dress (ahem... almost never), the main reason to lift the hem is walking up a step or stairs...

    ...so I'm going to fancifully suggest that the coin means Domitian has an uphill battle but is hopeful that he will succeed! :D

    (This is not a serious suggestion.)
     
  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Well ... Domitian was not Vespasian's first choice as successor. Perhaps another ironic point regarding this type struck for him! ;)
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Spes was a common type for Titus, too, so we should not take that hope too seriously. Both of mine are sestertii.
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice addition to your bronze collection, David.
     
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  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I wonder when the type was struck for the reigning emperor if it was intended as an attribute?
     
  8. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Nice portrait with great patina.
     
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  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I have always admired SPES reverse coins. The choice of the depiction of the goddess of hope was certainly appropriate for Claudian coins for the Senate and people of Rome had great hope that he would set the state on an even keel after the debacle of Caligula’s principate:

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    AE SESTERTIUS OF CLAUDIUS
    BMCRE Volume I, Rome, Claudius, No. 124
    RIC Volume I, Rome, Claudius No. 99

    41-50 AD, (36mm, 25.3gm)
    Obverse depiction: Claudius, laureate head facing right
    Inscription clockwise from bottom: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP
    Reverse depiction: Personification of Spes holding flower in right hand and demurely raising skirt with left hand
    Inscription clockwise from bottom: SPES AVGVSTA - S C (exergue)
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Considering the track record of all Emperors, no one had more to 'hope' for than he did. Did the type mean, "I hope my brother/son/friend/general doesn't kill me" or did it mean "I hope for the best for Rome"?

    Geta had hope forever (Spei Perpetuae). That was a short forever.
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    Caracalla had hope, too but his forever was just a little longer.
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  11. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very nice new Domitian, David!! I have recently added 2 Spes of the papa, Vespasian.

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    Vespasian, AE As
    Rome mint, Struck in 76 AD (like yours)
    Obverse
    : IMP CAESAR VESP AVG COS VII, Head of Vespasian, laureate, right.
    Reverse: Spes standing, left holding flower in right and raising skirt with left, SC across field.
    References: RIC II 894

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    Vespasian, AE As
    Rome mint, Struck 74 AD
    Obverse
    : IMP CAESAR VESP AVG COS V CENS, Head of Vespasian, laureate, right.
    Reverse: Spes, draped, advancing left, holding up flower in right hand and raising up skirt with left, SC across field.
    References: RIC II 730

    In contrast, this new Antoninus Pius Spes As seems quite an appropriate reverse. Things were going really well with expanding the empire, with victories in Britain, building a wall, and all that.
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    Antoninus Pius, AE As
    Rome mint, Struck 143-144 AD
    Obverse
    : ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P COS III, Head of Antoninus Pius, laureate, right.
    Reverse: IMPERATOR II, Spes, draped, advancing left holding flower-bud in raided right hand and gathering up fold of skirt in left, SC across field.
    References: RIC III 730
     
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  12. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Great coins everyone, here is my Titus: EDCA18B9-A740-460A-95D0-8881D18F356E.jpeg
     
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  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

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  14. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thanks David for kind words, quite often I do admire your collection of Flavians:)
     
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  15. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Spectacular portrait, svarog!!!!!!!!
     
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  16. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Thank you PeteB, I also like the sharpness of the reverse
     
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