GTG 1880-S $1

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  1. buckeye73

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  3. CircCam

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  4. Mountain Man

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    I agree with ddddd.
     
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  5. ddddd

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    I was 1 point too conservative.
    64 PL seems fair as well.
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    20180916_171443_resized.jpg 20180916_141129_resized.jpg Not knocking the op's coin, but will take issue with a 64 PL grade and this 1880 s of mine given a 64+ ! Reason being you can read todays paper with the mirror like surfaces on mine.
    Seems NGC got neither coin graded correctly by my eye.
     
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  7. 1916D10C

    1916D10C Key Date Mercs are Life! 1916-D/1921-D/1921

    I love the coin, John. Congratulations on getting something you really desired, and it seems fairly graded to my eye.
     
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  8. CircCam

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    The fields were very reflective, but less so due to the toning on it. The coin is definitely PL, but I agree yours is more attractive.

    I can count on one hand the number of coins I’ve returned, but this is one. PL stuff is new to me and seems very challenging to photograph so I don’t blame the seller, but I wasn’t expecting the toning to be so dark. I went to the dealer and they had the same coin in 64PL with a more marked up portrait but squeaky clean fields and it was a superior coin, but I’m gonna hold out for a higher end one. Thanks for all the guesses, I had already sent it back but was curious what you guys would think.

    I think it is fairly graded as well, clean portrait with unhappy fields. There are prints I didn’t see in the seller photos as well, so when my initial reaction to the coin was wanting to crack it out and dip it which would only reveal more imperfections, I put her back in the envelope.
     
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  9. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    ...Not liking dark toning may seem funny since you guys know my collecting tastes, but PL Morgan’s are something I want to see bright and stunning in all their glory without blotchy skin, however original it might be.
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I did believe that I saw a finger print or partial one on the coin.
    You are so correct about trying to capture a image on PL surfaces...my coin above was a bear to shoot .
    When I aquired this coin Jerry a member here was at the show with me.
    I showed him the coin and the first words were why isn't it PL?
    He took the coin and held it on its side on a coin magazine and said as bad as my eyes are I can read the print.
    Now again remember we are talking 1880 S Morgans....which even in lower grades look like full strike coins.
    I have even heard some say there's a grading curve on 80 and 81 s Morgans as a fact they are imho the best struck of the series.
     
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  11. Dave Waterstraat

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    Some of the best struck for sure.
     
  12. CircCam

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    Indeed, that was my thing too- if I want a prime example of a Morgan for my collection from the best struck years, I want it to have great eye appeal. My semi-PL “MS62” here was the more appealing of the two so I figure I’ll keep waiting for the right PL to come along and I’ll know it when it stomps this one in hand. 28C595FB-6E8A-4008-8E40-08F2E17FCEED.png

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  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I have a boat load of 1880 s morgans... and why?.... outstanding eye appeal, great strikes, more luster than most other dates.... I tell myself there is two things I don't need to buy...a 1880 s Morgan and a 1938 D buffalo nickel....however both I have a hard time passing up on a eye candy coin.
    You should be able to find a specimen that if ship wrecked on an island you could signal a aircraft with the coin.
     
  14. Paddy54

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    @CircCam
    So I take it that coins as such are more so in your confort zone? 20190106_104248.jpg 20190106_104258.jpg 20190106_104322.jpg 20190106_104329.jpg
     
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  15. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    That’s safe to say! :)

    I’ve taken a liking to PL coins for the same reason, the contrast.

    I’ve been keeping my eye out more lately but PL’s are also something I’ve seen so much less of so I’m new to analyzing them. I’ve heard that they show marks on the devices more because they are frosted, but do they also tend to show more in the fields? I’ve seen plenty of gem PL’s with substantial marks in the fields (visibly more than i’d expect for the grade) so I’m curious about that. Maybe photos have something to do with it but even True Views and such.
     
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  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I also question the same....I am old school back to a day were at a show or coin club meeting we sit down and either horse trade or discuss a coin in hand.
    I do try my best to be open minded...but it was very hard for me to except slabed coins, and now stickers!
    Am I an expert ...? No far from it....but I do trust what I do know,and what my eyes and mind tells me.
    A decade ago when I first join this forum my collection was 95 % raw!
    I hear members here say they won't buy a raw coin. That tells me a few things...
    They haven't been in the hobby very long, they in trust what a slab sez rather what their eyes,and mind tell them.
    It is difficult in life at times to understand why other do as they do.
    But the truth be told AMC sold a heck of a lot of Gremlins
    ,and Pacer cars....:jawdrop: in the late 1970's/80's!
    So one needs to be respecttful...as one man trash is indeed another's treasure.
     
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  17. CircCam

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    TPG’s were valuable to me as an educational tool from the get-go, as it gave me thousands of coins to view and study in problem free/market acceptable condition before I fully understood what those terms meant.

    Being a fairly new collector, I think it’s pretty amazing what we have at our fingertips nowadays even though holding the coins and learning from knowledgeable individuals in person is still king. I’ve learned so much from you folks here as well.
     
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  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I am a firm believer that one should embrace knowlege daily ,and strive to learn something new as well share something with others.
    I offten challange people,not to put them down but to make them think.....as well learn from them.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I would call that a success.
     
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  20. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’ll buy either. I send most raw coins to get slabbed as they’re easier to sell but when I started everything was raw when I first got real serious tpgs were in their early stages in the late 80s early 90s so I have no problem with either. That being said nearly all of my personal collection is slabbed with the exception of some love tokens potty dollars and holed coins and a bunch of junk silver
     
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  21. Kim Greenwood

    Kim Greenwood New Member

    I do understand what you are saying, but I disagree with your take on slabbed coins. Please do not take this as a criticism of your choice. I strictly purchase slabbed coins, but I purchase coins that I like, first and foremost, the slab and grade I consider insurance for the future. Personally, I see the enjoyment from purchasing raw or slabbed coins, my preference is slabbed...does not mean I cannot appreciate someone's desire or collection of raw coins. The foundation of collecting is not about who is right or wrong, but what each individual enjoys. My 2 cents:)
     
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