Something to ponder - Trebonianus Gallus from Antioch, "Sole reign"

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  1. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Here is an intriguing issue from an emperor who never ruled without a colleague:

    Trebonianus Gallus
    AR Antoninianus, Antioch mint
    IMP C C VIB TREBONIANUS GALLUS P F AVG, Radiate draped bust right
    VICTORIA AVG, Victory advancing left
    Trebonianus gallus antioch victoria avg.jpg

    Conventionally on Roman coins, if there was one sole emperor, the reverse would mention AVG; AVGG for two, and so on. Trebonianus Gallus never ruled solo during his two year tenure; he ruled with Hostilian until the latter died in November 251, then immediately elevated his son Volusian.

    Only a handful of types hint at sole rule, all of them from Antioch. Why these exist is anyone's guess. Some theories:

    - There was a brief time that Gallus was sole emperor, while he negotiated for the elevation of Hostilian
    - The mint at Antioch heard of the proclamation for Gallus, and assumed that Hostilian was going to be killed on short order
    - The news of Hostilian's death reached Antioch before the news of Volusian's elevation - we really don't know if the elevation was immediate or took a few days or weeks of negotiating with the Senate
    - Antioch just had incompetent engravers who made errors, or were recycling old dies from the time of Decius' sole reign.

    Post em if you got em!
     
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  3. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Interesting indeed. I have not studied these much. You have set out a perfectly valid set of possibilities. I cannot guess which is correct.

    Your timing is interesting.There have been a few Volusian and Treb. Gallus coins here recently and I had the following two coins arrive today. I sometimes wonder how the stars align around the globe with the purchases that we make and share.

    Trebonianus Gallus - Antoninianus

    Obv:– IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– MARTEM PROPVGNATOREM, Mars, walking right holding spear and shield
    Minted in Antioch. A.D. 251 - 253
    Ref:– RIC 84. RSC 70

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    Volusian - Antoninianus

    Obv:– IMP C C VIB VOLVSIANVS AVG, Radiate, draped cuirassed bust right
    Rev– MARTEM PROPVGNATOREM, Mars, walking right holding spear and shield
    Minted in Antioch. A.D. 251 - 253
    Reference:– RIC 219 (R). RSC 60

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  4. Choucas

    Choucas Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    It is quite interesting indeed. I just know that engraving errors, especially in legends and in figures features, are quite common for the Antioch mint and the oriental mints in general in the third century, since engravers sometimes did not even spoke or wrote latin, and were not aware of the roman deities.
    The recycling of old dies also happened.
     
  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Interesting portrait of TG. I would venture to guess that the celators had not received the requisite bust of the sitting emperor, so therefore they had no idea what Gallus really looked like. It says to me generic, bearded 3rd century portrait.
     
  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    trebgallus1.jpg

    Same type @randygeki - Pietas reverse, but different dies

    trebgallus2.jpg
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Is it just possible that the 'rules' of Latin plural abbreviation were not as important to the mint as your theories assume? I do not specialize in these coins but half of my TG antoniniani are AVG. If I had to pick one from the list, I would guess that the mint was not told that Hostilian was still in the picture (dead or alive) and did not ask. Are there Hostilian coins of the post Decius period with AVG(G) endings? The only Antioch TG with AVGG is RIC 96 which is footnoted as not certainly of the mint so any answer that suggests they did not know he existed seems reasonable.
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  9. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Good point, Doug. On wildwinds there are a number of both AVG and AVGG endings for Hostilian's stint as emperor, and RIC 208 seems to actually be using the same reverse dies as my OP coin.

    At any rate, since we are having a t-bone party, I'll always jump at the chance to share this one again - one of my favorite Crisis coins!
    Trebonianus Gallus Libertas.jpg
     
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I don't have one from Antioch, but I do have one from the Rome mint. It bears the expected AVGG title on the reverse.

    Trebonianus Gallus VICTORIA AVGG antoninianus Rome.jpg
    Trebonianus Gallus VICTORIA AVGG antoninianus Rome Sulzer listing.JPG
     
  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is a Treb Gallus from Antioch--a tetradrachm:

    TrebGallus4Antioch1747white.jpg
    26 mm. 12.41 grams.
    AVTOK K Γ OVIB TPЄB ΓAΛΛOC CЄB
    Autokrater [Imperator] Kaiser Gaius Vibius Trebonianus Gallus Sebastos [Augustus]

    ΔHMAPX ЄΞOVCIAC (Trib Pot = 251)

    Two dots below the bust and B on the reverse refer to the second officina.

    Prier 659. McAleee 1173b "first issue."

    By the way, if you want to include Greek letters when you write to CT and you don't have a better way, you can copy them from this page (bookmark it):
    http://augustuscoins.com/Greekletters.html
    I find the rounded "Є" to be pleasing, "E" is just not the same.

    P.S. Portraits on Roman provincial coins are interesting, but so is deciphering the Greek lettering. I find "Roman Provincial Coins" by Kevin Butcher to be the most useful book for understanding provincials.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here's mine from Milan (Medeolanum). Notice the reverse type - talk about wishful thinking!
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    Milan mint
    Obv: IMP C C TREB GALLVS AVG
    Rev: PAX AETERNA - Pax, standing left, holding branch and traverse scepter
    RIC 71
    22mm, 3.8g.
     
  13. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    Trebonianus Gallus AD 251-253, AR Tetradrachm
    Syria, Antioch, 251 AD (1st year issue)
    Obv.: Laureate draped and cuir. bust r., seen from behind, Z below bust.
    Rev.: Eagle stg. facing, head l., SC in exergue, Z between legs
    Weight: 14.05 gr. Diam.: 26 mm.
    Attrib.: McAlee 1172g. Prieur 668.
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  14. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    In regards to TG's portrait likeness, and in absence of photography at the time, and taking into consideration all that we know about how coin portraits and period busts of that time were subject to glamorization/subjectivity, etc., see here:
    upload_2019-8-13_11-45-4.png
    Above image from:
    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/247117?img=2
     
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