whom can direct me to a Expert of the "Henning nickel"?..

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  1. can anyone point a direction to who i could speak with about this Topic?
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

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    It surely wouldn't be us?
     
  5. cpm9ball

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    This is just a guess, but maybe @Lehigh96 can help you.

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  6. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    I wouldn’t call myself an expert although I am very knowledable and have read a good bit on the hennings.

    I also have the book by Dwight Stuckey and own both the looped R and non looped R of 1944.

    6 total dies existed of years 1939, 1944 (2 variants), 1946, 1947, and 1953.

    What exactly are your questions? I can certainly try to answer them.
     
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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Post a photo with your comments. Maybe someone here can help you.
     
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  10. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I can help as well
     
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  11. Right on Thanks, I Have many many questions,as i'm sure many others still do, I have read up and understand the basic knowledge of the Henning nickels I actually think I may have a 1939 and 1946 a 1953 (I will Post them,) Here's my main question,
    1. The word out there is that there were only "six" dies to this mystery, does anyone know why these dates were chosen? I understand the war nickel, and the 1939 but why these other dates? and with these dates so widely spread, couldn't there be more than 6?what has proven this number accurate?? I have read around that he did admit to counterfeiting, what dates did he actually admit to?? If it was 5 die's, why the sixth conspiracy without a date,??.. or has that been solved? Has any of it been solved? Lets get this roller coaster rolling... :) I have put alot of thought into this topic too, thats just the tip of the iceberg, thank you for your response,
    call me crazy , cause I am, that dont bother me one bit. :) here are my nickels, 1939 hennings#1 front with DoD and die pin in eye.jpg reverse of 1939#1side.jpg 1939 hennings#1 front with DoD and die pin in eye.jpg reverse of 1939#1side.jpg 1939 hennings#1 front with DoD and die pin in eye.jpg reverse of 1939#1side.jpg 1939 hennings#1 front with DoD and die pin in eye.jpg reverse of 1939#1side.jpg 1939 hennings#1 front with DoD and die pin in eye.jpg reverse of 1939#1side.jpg reverse of 1939#1.jpg 1939#2 front.jpg
     

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  12. feel free to ask questions i can take a few more pics if necessary,
     
  13. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    His testimony to the FBI admitted of 6 dies used. This is confirmed with 1944 having a looped R and one without the looped R.

    Let’s first rule out the 1953 because it’s an S minted coin and all hennings have no mint marks.

    The link provided above has some great photos and Bob owns the highest graded Henning that has surfaced to my knowledge. All hennings lack mint luster and your 1939s seem to have some luster remaining. Nearly all hennings have a very flat and grey look. One of your 1939s appears to have damage on the R which has in the past been mistaken for the loop defect.

    The reverse dies that lack the looped R typically have a small circular die chip above and to the left of the Montecello dome. Below are my two 1944s, the one without looped R showing the die chip. Hope this helps, I wish it were true that the 1939s were hennings as they are very rare and do not surface often.

    Hope this is helpful.


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  14. kSigSteve

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    Very glad to have this thread surface. It was always believed there were 6 dies used due to the 1944 having two variants. After doing some more digging it appears a 7th die has surfaced. This is very interesting because the second 1944 was always thought to be the 6th die.

    This is where it gets interesting. Credit to Loco and Rackster for these finds. These are photos from the CCF. It confirms 1939 has two variants as well. This creates the reoccurring mystery that when Henning spoke of a 6th die it could actually be a 6th date which has not surfaced yet.

    Loco found a 1939 with the looped R known to exist.

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    Rackster found a 1939 without the looped R and also has the die chip as mentioned. This find was back in February and had not known about it until this morning.
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    I would love to connect with Bob on this as he is the Henning expert over on CCF but has not been active since September of 2018. Last I heard he was writing a book on the hennings and had around 100+ of them in his inventory. This is why I love numismatics!
     
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    nice finds :) yea i have herd of this die dot,,, i have also seen it, just in a different location, i have closeups of details to prove all my cases,, dont worry,im also here to teach others a few new things i have noticed to look for
    , this is not a easy topic to speak of because we all have different opinions, if i remember correctly it was said that leroy bought his planchets from the same place the mints bought there's, planchets are blanks, this guy had alot of work to do to create this mass amount of coins , what im saying is there''s going to be more than just a hole and a dot,although those are legit markings, neither one of those have.. to be there , i also know it was not just "dies"that worked on these nickels theres alot of number shaving and letters being defaced and used again to make up other alterations on his choice of interest ...i believe alot more varieties exist than the people think,,, .. i guess im going to have to bust out the big guns and show off some pictures, and my 39 has a lot of close up alterations to it, plus a pierced eyebrow that makes him cool.... Haha,,
     
  16. what if i told i believe my 1943P is a fake made by a man named hennings? I know they say he got caught for forgetting the S mark, here was my thought, what if his gig was to just create fake war nickels??? meaning, adding the mint marks to them and instead the one he was caught for was just one that slipped by?
     
  17. his testimony was as short and sweet as you could get, caught red handed and really no way to lie outta such a drastic charge, he had to give them something, doesn't meant he didnt have 30 more varieties up his sleeve
    Let’s first rule out the 1953 because it’s an S minted coin and all hennings have no mint marks.

    The link provided above has some great photos and Bob owns the highest graded Henning that has surfaced to my knowledge. All hennings lack mint luster and your 1939s seem to have some luster remaining. Nearly all hennings have a very flat and grey look. One of your 1939s appears to have damage on the R which has in the past been mistaken for the loop defect.

    The reverse dies that lack the looped R typically have a small circular die chip above and to the left of the Montecello dome. Below are my two 1944s, the one without looped R showing the die chip. Hope this helps, I wish it were true that the 1939s were hennings as they are very rare and do not surface often.

    Hope this is helpful.


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  18. here is one secret squirrel pic i got.. i love my camera, there is alot i can see,
     
  19. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    There’s a lot of documentation on record regarding the Henning Nickels including FBI testimony. Trying to prove other dates/dies exist is going to require a great deal of research and scholarship. I suppose it’s OK to speculate, but until you have some better evidence, you may have to deal with a lot of skepticism.

    IMO, I don’t see anything on your coins that resemble the known Henning’s that @kSigSteve posted. In addition, they look like normal, worn nickels that one could find in circulation. Granted, I only have a limited knowledge of Henning’s, but I think you’re going to need a lot more evidence than “I think it looks like one”.

    All that being said, I wish you the best of luck proving your theory. I try to keep an open mind, but sometimes extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Not trying to be critical, just a realist
     
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