1960 D small date help!

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  1. Newbie69

    Newbie69 Doesn't make cents!

    IMG_20181231_120152104_HDR~2.jpg IMG_20181231_120213223_HDR~2.jpg IMG_20181231_115152455_HDR.jpg IMG_20181231_115729484_HDR.jpg IMG_20181231_115127729_HDR.jpg IMG_20181231_115659536_HDR~2.jpg IMG_20181231_114315161_HDR.jpg IMG_20181231_114244871_HDR.jpg So I Know there is a doubled working hub here but this one I'm having trouble matching up to any of them. WEXLER makes comment of two types of reverse but no mention of the differences. Coin has alot going on. The date is interesting with what looks like something on top of date, (not over date). Obverse and reverse show remnants of a die clash. Most visible on reverse below right side of memorial. I believe the reverse shows doubling on memorial and ONE CENT. Anyone have experience with this date? And sorry about some of the pics I'm having troubles with camera!
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Do NOT let this coin out of your hands! This may be a 1960-D Large Date over Small Date variety. It sure looks like one at first glance.
     
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  4. Newbie69

    Newbie69 Doesn't make cents!

    @V. Kurt Bellman that would be nice but I thought that it would have the RPM north in order to be the over date?
     
  5. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    The odd appendages on the inside loops of the 9 and the 6 argue strongly for an overdate. If only one had them, I'd be thinking damage. Both having them is compelling. I think the hit on the 0 is hiding an artifact that was there.

    Keep in mind, the double date style is on the HUB (unless the die was squeezed by two different hubs - a ridiculous breach of procedure), and the mintmark is punched directly onto the DIE.
     
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  6. Newbie69

    Newbie69 Doesn't make cents!

    Hmm. Very interesting Kurt I'll keep my fingers crossed! In the meantime I'm going to go back through my other small dates, I do believe I have a red small date that had the same marks on the date but I had just dismissed it as damage. Thanks for your time as well.
     
  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    This coin is not the over date .
    Not even close ...
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here's what the over date looks like .
    upload_2018-12-31_17-9-39.jpeg
     
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  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    It most certainly is AN overdate. Using the term THE overdate is being intentionally misleading. There CLEARLY is both shapes of both the 6 and the 9 on the OP's coin. You people (Rick particularly) talk like there can be only ONE 1960-D overdate. Well clearly that's NOT true. Guess what, that's horse hockey! The second one is staring you in the face. I agree the OP's is NOT the one Rick pictures.

    Give me YOUR explanation for THIS, Rick:

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    Then there's the OP's first "96" closeup. If it's not AN overdate, I'll be darned.

    I've got a news flash for everybody - there ARE people other than John Wexler who can SEE, you know. Sometimes I wonder if he CAN see.
     
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  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Some of the small date dies show the hook in the 9 & 6 .
    Why ? Don't know ... I sure there's a article on google, for that answer ..

    upload_2018-12-31_19-4-58.jpeg
     
  11. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yeah, like I'd EVER use Google for ANYTHING. [Hint: I don't and won't.] But the one you show in post #9 IS an overdate. I don't need John Wexler's say so. I can see just fine. Even more, it appears to be the same one the OP is showing, but not the same polish state, as the die polish lines are different.

    The closeup photo you showed, Rick, is BOTH an overdate AND a pretty severe machine doubling job.
     
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  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    That coin from post #9 came from pcgs site, under small date .
    If the OP sends this coin into any grading company, it's just coming back as a small date .

    O-ya, minted in Denver ............
     
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I don't doubt that. It appears to be BOTH an overDATE AND an overSIGHT. PCGS is not infallible, contrary to widespread fanboy-ism.

    Speaking of Johnny Boy, you realize PCGS does not recognize a BUNCH of his stuff, right? Just like no TPGS recognizes the 1951 Proof Washington Quarter "brain tumor" variety that Tomaska waxes poetic over. The TPGS firms are A source, not THE source.
     
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  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I just pulled a small date out with the same thing as the OP coin .
    I'll take a close up of it . I've seen over the years, 100s like the OP coin .
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Isn't it small date over large?
    If the large was over the small you wouldn't see the small.
     
  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Like I said, 100s ...
    upload_2018-12-31_19-41-30.jpeg
     
  17. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I guess this could be like a poorman's 55 ...
     
  18. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

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  19. Newbie69

    Newbie69 Doesn't make cents!

    Ya I looked at that one and all the others trying to match up die markers but to no avail! Thought you might be able to help with this @Rick Stachowski Thanks
     
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  21. Newbie69

    Newbie69 Doesn't make cents!

    Large over small. They are referred to as they appear on the working die which is backwards.
     
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