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  1. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    Merry Christmas to all Coin Talk friends..
    After long time, I finally decided to collect something..I will collect countermarked bronze coins..In the past, I've found a lot of them, and I sold them for nothing..
    I found this Augustus as two weeks ago, with countramarks AVG and TICAE..
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  3. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Nice coin, I find countermarks to be very interesting.

    That is getting to be a popular area to collect.

    Seems right that you should collect some of the great items you find. :)

    John
     
  4. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Nice! My bet is there is a rectangle countermark with dolphin on the reverse? (can we see the reverse?) And I want to say that there is a 3rd cm on obverse behind the head... Of a helmet, but upside down to its current position.

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    These types of countermarks are usually found on coins of Augustus possibly issued from Ephesus or Moesia (modern day Bulgaria) with wreath reverse with AVGVSTVS within, but moderately worn. Or with wreath and CA, also from asia minor area.
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    What a cool area to collect! Be sure to get a copy of Howgego!
     
  6. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, RC..I will...
     
  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    wow! kool info and book RC! :)
     
  8. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Christmas greetings once again.

    It does seem that many Augustus moneyer Aes coins have multiple countermarks:

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  9. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member


    I too love countermarked coinage. I am continuously updating my Imitative/Countermarked Claudian Britannic coinage web page. Here is my latest iteration:

    Last updated: 22 December 2018

    OVERVIEW

    I used the following reference resources in composing this web page ..........

    The Romano-British imitations of Bronze Coins of Claudius I (PDF) - a digital edition of the highly regarded monograph by C. H. V. Sutherland, provided by the American Numismatic Society.

    THE COPYING OF BRONZE COINS OF CLAUDIUS 1 IN ROMAN BRITAIN (PDF) - Ph.D dissertation of Robert Frederick Ernest Kenyon, Institute of Archaeology, University College, London, April 1992 - a 535 page PDF document, which is a very comprehensive body of work that covers, in exhaustive detail, all aspects of this coinage including production, circulation, counter marking, etc.

    Coins of the Roman Empire in the British Museum (BMCRE), Volume 1 (Augustus to Vitellius) by Harold Mattingly - an online 1923 edition archived copy. The introductory chapters include a great deal of essential reference material relating to this coinage. I personally use my 1983 (revised) printed edition.

    General Notes:

    1. Large quantities of imitative Roman aes coins - some of poor quality but also some of reasonably good quality - were produced in Britain during this period using spurious dies.

    2. In order to help relieve pervasive coin shortages, quantities of reasonably well made imitative coins were occasionally accepted by Roman officials for circulation.

    3. Many coins were countermarked to indicate their official status and in some instances to denote re-valuation of coinage denomination.

    ANNOTATED EXEMPLARS
    Imitative/Countermarked coins from my collection


    IMITATIVE CLAUDIUS SPES SESTERTIUS WITH DEVALUATION COUNTERMARK

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    Pangeri 85d, (30mm, 15.2gm)
    Countermarked DV (denoting half value) on obverse.

    Enlargement of DV countermark:

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    This is a devaluation countermark indicating this coin is re-valued as a Dupondius (half value) due to its very low weight. Note edge chisel mark on the obverse at approx. 3 o'clock which is always present on DV countermarked coins.

    IMITATIVE CLAUDIUS OB CIVES SERVATOS SESTERTIUS WITH COUNTERMARK

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    BMCRE, Vol. I, CLAUDIUS, SESTERTIUS, Rome, No. 120, 41-45AD (38mm, 29.2gm)
    Obverse depiction: Claudius, laureate head facing right
    Inscription: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP
    Countermarked PROB
    Mattingly note - Cmk. in oblong incuse in front of neck and face; end of legend obliterated
    Reverse depiction: Civic Oak Wreath
    Inscription in four lines:
    EX SC
    O B
    C I V E S
    SERVATOS
    (within Civic Oak Wreath)

    Enlargement of PROB countermark:

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    PROB (Probatum = approved) countermark. I believe this to be an irregular issue coin (struck from locally made unofficial dies). Note the flattened and bulged area on the reverse resulting from the very heavily struck countermark on the obverse which was carelessly positioned almost off the flan. The inscriptional lettering on the reverse is somewhat uneven and not very well formed.

    CALIGULA GERMANICUS SIGNIS RECEPT DUPONDIUS WITH CLAUDIUS COUNTERMARK

    Claudius also Countermarked and issued asses and dupondii of Caligula in order to extend the supply of money after his expedition to Britain and his subsequent conquest of the island.

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    Germanicus SIGNIS RECEPT dupondius
    BMCRE, Vol I, Caligula, No. 93 (RIC, Vol I, No. 57)
    Reverse: Claudius Countermark TIAV in oblong incuse to left of head
    Mattingly, BMCRE, Vol. I, Caligula, No. 93 & Plate 30

    Enlargement of TIAV countermark:

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    Mattingly lists TIAV as the usual Countermark employed by Claudius for these coins. They were issued for extended circulation in Britain by Claudius following his Victory there. These were the common Roman denominations used as legal tender in Britannia - evidently for a very long time, for many are found in very worn condition.

    CALIGULA AGRIPPA NEPTUNE AS WITH CLAUDIUS COUNTERMARK

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    Agrippa Obverse & Neptune reverse As
    BMCRE, Vol I, Tiberius, No. 168 (RIC, Vol I, No. 58)
    Plate 26
    Reverse: Claudius Countermark TIAV (A and V ligatured) in oblong incuse over head of Neptune

    "In hand" enlargement of countermark:

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    Neptune reverse
    As, BMCRE, Vol I, Tiberius, No. 168 (RIC, Vol I, No. 58)
    Plate 26
    Reverse: Claudius Countermark TIAV in oblong incuse over head of Neptune

    Mattingly lists TIAV as the usual Countermark employed by Claudius for these coins. They were issued for extended circulation in Britain by Claudius following his Victory there. These were the common Roman denominations used as legal tender in Britannia - evidently for a very long time, for many are found in very worn condition.

    CLAUDIUS TRIUMPHAL ARCH SESTERTIUS WITH NERO COUNTERMARK

    Nero also Countermarked and issued Claudius aes coinage in order to extend the supply of money in Britain after the death of Claudius.

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    BMCRE, Vol. I, CLAUDIUS, SESTERTIUS, Rome, No. 123, 41-45AD (35mm, 22.3gm)
    Obverse depiction: Claudius, laureate head facing right
    Inscription: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP
    Countermarked NCAPR in oblong incuse rectangle behind head (unknown mark on head)
    Reverse depiction: Triumphal arch surmounted by equestrian statue of Nero Claudius Drusus
    Inscription: NERO CLAVDIVS DRVSVS GERMAN IMP

    Enlargement of NCAPR countermark:

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    This coinage was usually countermarked NCAPR - which is interpreted different ways by collectors and researchers, with the most popular and frequently used interpretations being Nero Caesar Augustus Probavit or Nero Caesar Augustus Populo Romano. This coin was well struck and centered. Likewise, the countermark is well struck and correctly positioned. I believe this to be a coin originally produced at the Rome mint.
     
  10. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Merry Xmas day to you all, again :)

    I also find countermarks very interesting. Have a few. This is one of them:
    Augustus, Æ As
    Rome, 7 BC M. Salvius Otho moneyer
    27 mm, 9.92 g
    Ref.: RIC 431-Pangerl52; Cohen 515 (2f.)
    Obv.: CAESAR AVGVST PONT MAX TRIBVNIC POT bare head of Augustus right; in rectangle Countermark IMP AG
    Rev.: M SALVIVS OTHO III VIR AAA F F around large S C

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  11. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much Jamesicus..Very informative post..
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We have had several threads on countermarked coins which I am sure you have seen. Most were from the Julio Claudians.
    Ephesus had c/m coins long before this period. This AE14 has a bee stamped on the reverse stag.
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  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Fantastic collecting niche! One of my favourite coins is a Vespasian Ephesian denarius with a Vespasian c/m.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.06g
    Ephesus Mint, 71 AD; Countermarked under Vespasian at Ephesus, circa 74-79 AD
    RIC 1431 (C). BMC 457. RSC 276. RPC 833 (14 spec.); c/m: GIC 839
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.; c/m: IMP·VES (ligate)
    Rev: PACI AVGVSTAE; Victory, draped, advancing r., holding wreath extended in r. hand and palm over l. shoulder. EPHE lower r.
    Acquired from Ancient Imports, November 2016.

    Someone at the mint was asleep on the job the day this coin was struck!
     
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