Coins of Lucilla once attributed to the wife of Aelius

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Looking through the Numophylacium Sulzerianum, a catalog of coins in the Sulzer collection and published in 1777, I noticed that coins of Lucilla with the inscription LVCILLA AVGVSTA were thought to be issued for Aelius' wife ...

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    ... and those with the inscription LVCILLAE AVG ANTONINI AVG F were thought to be issued for Lucius Verus' wife.

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    Any idea when and by whom it was discovered that all of these were actually issued for Lucius Verus' wife?
     
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  3. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    no, but that's an interesting find RC..so they thought they were of his mother and not his wife..intriguing..
     
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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Lucilla Sestertius 001.JPG Lucilla Sestertius 002.JPG sestertius of Lucilla
     
  5. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    Whoa, I actually have a relevant coin to add to a discussion - I should play the lottery (haha)!

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  6. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    One thing about collecting ancients, you have to be willing to accept change when the prevailing wisdom gets turned on it's head.
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Yours from the "L. Veri vxor" (wife of Verus) section:

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    Mine from the "L. Aelii vxor" (wife of Aelius) section. It even describes the bust as "Caput Lucillae L. Aelii vxoris" (head of Lucilla, wife of Aelius):

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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I would show the Sulzer listing for that one, but he didn't have an example in his collection. :(
     
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  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Yet RIC does not make this distinction. Could it be that later scholarship refuted this distinction? The obverse busts look pretty similar.

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    Bronze Sestertius
    Rome mint
    Obv: LVCILLA AVGVSTA
    Rev: IVNO REGINA - Juno, veiled, standing, facing left, holding patera and scepter, peacock at feet, between S and C
    RIC (Marcus Aurelius) 1751
    32x29mm, 23.1g.
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Well, yes. All of these coins are really from Lucilla, the daughter of Marcus Aurelius and wife of Lucius Verus. Aelius' wife wasn't even named Lucilla.

    I just thought it interesting that in 1777, numismatists believed these issues to be for two different women.
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Sulzer also inaccurately described Magnia Urbica as the wife of Carus:

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  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i wonder then why the confusion...different hair style perhaps?
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Is this the one described?
    LOL, well the way Roman Imperial families were so intertwined, who KNOWS if they weren't "involved" with other Emperors... :)
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    RI Magnia Urbica 285 CE silvered Ant AE 23mm 3.4g cresent - Venus helmet scepter shield RIC 343

    Checked my Lucillas... I do not think they are what was described above.
     
  14. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I have an auction sale catalog, M&M GMBH 44 (25 Nov. 2016), which offered 74 lots of individual coins of Lucilla. Most are not high grade, but someone put in a lot of work to assemble such an extensive group and it is nice to see each in color in the catalog.

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    Lucilla, 164-169.
    LVCILLAE AVG ANTONINI AVG F
    VOTA PVBLICA around wreath, dot within.

    Sear II 5495. RIC 792 "Rare".
    Reka Devnia had 2 of this type and 98 of the type with VOTA PVBLICA inside a wreath.
    This type is very rare and was not represented in the sale catalog I mentioned.
     
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  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Cool! I've never seen it with the wreath inside the inscription like that! Here's Sulzer's listing for the inscription within the wreath type:

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