A Question Posed to All of You Dealers...

Correct. Every state has different laws and it's important to keep up with the changes.

 

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It’s not just the laws we have to worry about now but also the court of public opinion, which as of late seems to be operating as judge, jury and executioner. Just ask the manager at Starbucks who got fired and raked over the coals in the news media for doing what restaurants legally have always had the right to do. That’s why if I was going to run a coin business I would be very selective as to the location.

 

Absolutely, I completely agree.

I don't really agree with it, but being aware of the world we live in is important. Like your example there are many others disproving what has been said by some.

You did though.

 

Is the 2014 Kennedy coin considered a bullion coin or commemorative coin?
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Exactly what was inaccurate?

 

Back in the day, the same was true of places that sold used music CDs. I once watched a young person bring in hundreds of CDs of all genres including classical. The guy behind the counter scanned the UPCs into his computer, and the program he was using returned a price to pay for that particular CD. The kid told the man that he could keep those classical CDs, even though the man indicated that they were of no value... to him. As a former collector of rare CDs, I'm happy to boast that I found several in that chain of used CD shops that were worth lots of money. Many of them looked unplayed.

Edit: to that member who found my CoinStar finds unethical, perhaps I should have left those rare CDs sitting in the bins for someone else to find, sorry.

 

Most of what you wrote in the Section 8 paragraph. While some of that is true and other parts are true in some areas and certain situations, a lot of that is certainly not true across the board. As an example yes you do not have to rent to section 8/welfare just because they are that, but you can find yourself in a world of hurt if you break the law rejecting one just because of that. If there were other reasons for the rejection that are 100 percent consistent with everything else which they would have to be than the section 8 is irrelevant.

The point was laws vary greatly from cite, county, state ect.

 

No disrespect here at all, but absolutely nothing in that paragraph is inaccurate. I do not have to accept a Section 8 tenant even if they are the only one who applies. For some reason, you seem to assume I come out and say or at least imply that someone can therefore say, "Sorry, you are Section 8. Although you qualify for all conditions I set forth, the fact that you are Section 8 is grounds for refusal." No. But if Section 8 says they will cover only $775 of the $950, then I can refuse them. If Section 8 does not cover the $2,700 security deposit, I can refuse them. So far, my statement is not inaccurate and well within the law. You are making an assumption that the only reason I refuse them is that they are Section 8 even if they qualify otherwise.

I am legally allowed as a landlord to refuse pets of any kind (except service dogs; I can refuse therapy dogs), including a single goldfish with a tank the size of a mug. That's not inaccurate either.

Therapy dogs can be denied access to places that refuse entry to pets. "Therapy" dogs are not "service" dogs, and thus are not covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act. That's not inaccurate either.

Airlines have won judgements allowing them to charge two tickets to fat people. Not inaccurate.

Convicted felons can legally be refused employment for many jobs simply based on their criminal record regardless of the crime. You can even be refused for dishonorable discharges from the military, and even for bad credit and bad driving records. No idea why you think that is inaccurate. It's not.

My best friend and brother-in-law is a dentist in Buffalo. If someone wants a crown replaced or a filling replaced that fell out, he asks directly how they are going to pay for it. He can legally demand money up front and refuse them if they can't pay. If it is not emergency care (someone got shot in the mouth, for example), he has no obligation to do work for people. He can also refuse to accept Medicaid as a form of payment and tells them that directly. It is even on his door to his office. Not inaccurate. He can also refuse Medicare, but he accepts that.

Telling me state and local laws are different in different places is beyond obvious. Who doesn't know that?

 

higher judges..um

 

This. It gets the stolen merchandise a chance to get back to the owner AND notifies the police of who the thief is with the ID information to track him down. True it isn't perfect, but it works better than letting him just walk out of the shop and not have any information to give the police.

 

What makes them punks? I can’t help but wonder if you aren’t being a bit judgmental. I’ve met plenty of people who had coins that they inherited and had no idea about.

I understand your feelings on this, but I understand a dealer not wanting confrontation. A mentor of mine once said “no one gets to tell me how much personal risk I must assume in order to fight evil in this world”. Getting their ID scanned and checking the item under stolen databases seems like a reasonable action. Coin dealers are not investigators and we should not expect them to be. That’s what we have police for.

That is all, of course, my personal opinion.

 

Good point, but if I were that dealer who would make me whole?

 

That's what I was thinking. There are probably lots of ways to fight wrongdoing in the world if you're willing and able to donate several thousand dollars per incident. I'm guessing few small businesses are in that position.

 

Oh, I am definitely judgmental by nature. It is what has kept me alive. I wish more people were as well so there would be a lot fewer victims in the world. We as people are usually right about someone, and I don't fall into the "it is wrong to judge people" camp.

Anyway, they were both punks because they were rude by interrupting the owner, they were laughing at the way all the people in the photos looked that the owner had on the wall - including his war hero brother - and the coins obviously did not belong to either one of them.

 

Thanks for clarifying their mannerisms, which led you to call them punks. It does sound like they were acting like punks.

I’m going to disagree with you on the idea that being prejudiced prevents people from being victims, sure it can help sometimes, but I think it can also lead to negative consequences on both sides.

For all we know, one of them just inherited the coin from a recently lost grandparent. Kids (and adults) often act differently with friends. Perhaps the tag along is the punk and was being a bad influence on the other. Perhaps the people in the photo looked funny. As long as they didn’t say it loud enough for the dealer to hear, I see their comments as harmless. Also, perhaps one of them had a gun or a temper and asking insulting questions about whether “you two punks stole this coin” could’ve ended up making a victim of the dealer, for judging and encouraging them to be bad people. Imagine how you might feel as a teenager and you bring a coin in you inherited and the dealer refuses to buy it from you “because it’s clearly stolen and I’m going to call the cops”. I’m sure you’ll reply about how you’d have been much more respectful, but you’d be missing the point.

I also feel like we are far too quick to put soldiers on pedestals and say that anyone who doesn’t worship them is a bad person. Maybe the guy actually is a war hero; I don’t know his story, but it really doesn’t matter if he’s a war hero or a beggar. He’s just another human in a photo and deserves the same respect and dignity as any other. I think it is ultimately a bad thing that we think soldiers deserve some sort of preferential treatment, where making fun of them is some despicable act and somehow worse than making fun of some other human being.

I think a lot of people (myself included) are too quick to judge others and assume the worst of them. In doing this, we treat people negatively and then they respond to that negativity. Essentially, this mindset often creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. I find that my direct responses to people often upsets them and puts them on the defensive, bringing out qualities that they normally would not display.

This all, of course, is just my opinion, and we are likely at some point just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

I agree with you here more than you might think. However, I don't equate being judgmental with being prejudiced. At least for me, "judgmental" is forming an opinion based on evidence (what you hear, see, read, etc.) whereas "prejudice" is forming an opinion about someone before you even interact with them or even meet them (e.g. "Oh, he is Irish? You can't trust those no good drunks!").

And I do have a little more respect for someone if they served in the military or if they are cops or former cops. But I think I am "prejudiced" there being a former agent with the Treasury Department. You could say it is both a courtesy and a weakness

 

They put their lives on the line and fought for the freedoms we enjoy. Is everyone a great person who is infallible, absolutely not neither are cops or any other job. But to say that they don't deserve extra respect if they were in combat until proven they do not deserve the extra respect is just wrong.

I'll stop here, probably will already get banned anyway

 

Not to sidetrack the thread....... Just recognize that there likely is a "societal correction" going on when it comes to the treatment of veterans. I joined the Army on the tail end of Vietnam and saw how harshly those boys were treated. I don't carry my time in service as any sort of badge of honor and in fact feel a little odd when folks want to thank me. Yes, I served honorably, but truth be known, I needed an income.... And in the end, there's something to be said for giving praise to younger folks. And if it's praise for their time in service, what the heck. Really with so many being armchair critics, there's really not enough good things said to folks these days.