Are 2 Eagles legit?

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  1. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    I never came across A Ptolemy V or VI with 2 eagles. Is this genuine?
    ptolemy VI  2 eagles s-l1600.jpg ptolemy VI  2 eagles s-l1600.jpg3s-l1600.jpg

    19.5 mm
    5.7 grams.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It looks fine to me. Here is a Ptolemy VI from my collection:
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    PTOLEMY VI
    AE20
    OBVERSE: Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right
    REVERSE: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ, two eagles standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopiae before
    Struck at CYPRUS 180-176 BC
    6.11g, 20mm
    Svoronos 1426, SNG Cop 315
     
  4. chrsmat71

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  5. MarcosX

    MarcosX Active Member

    Hi I think the coin is fine but I may be biased because its my listing lol!
    It is from a hoard of 50+ I got a while back I have about 4 left.
    -Marcos
     
  6. MarcosX

    MarcosX Active Member

    Correction 6 left..interesting thing was every coin was struck from a different die, these are attributed to Alexandria because of the reverse but some think these were made in large quantities in unnamed mint or mints in the inner levant
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Brings new meaning to the numismatic phrase "double eagle".
     
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  8. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    the OP poster here has found a home maybe? and with a reputable seller who guarantees for life! a person can learn from hangin on CT! some good interesting coins listed. could be breaking the rules however if I say anymore? I think tho Warren and others have covered the main points about fakes and here is a good lesson. Why would anyone spend the several hours to cast a fake common Ptolemy bronze that has very little market demand, or a "hoard" of them, and sell them for $25.? Now the tourist "Biblical coin" fakes are a different story of course. However questioning the authenticity of the Athenian Owl tets that are also listed might be a legitimate pursuit.
     
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  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I no longer give opinions from photos saying coins are genuine however:
    The two eagle style is attributed to a period when there were two joint rulers. Many dealers only list them under the name of the senior one. Look on this page about 3/4 down:
    http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html
     
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  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

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  11. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    Thanks Bing
     
  12. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    The double eagle reverse sees a lot of use in the Ptolemaic Æ series. For the first few reigns, it was typically on the largest or next-to-largest Æ denominations. This type, on compact, ~ 20mm flans with the two -eagle reverse, is usually given to Ptolemy VI-VIII joint reign. It's considered really common. There is a slightly larger, thinner and/or more obviously conic-section flan, but similar type which is usually associated with Ptolemy IX-X, but that's seen a lot less frequently.
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    Ptolemy VI & VIII, Joint Reign, 170-164 BC.
    Æ 20mm, 8.58g, 12h. Mint of Alexandria
    Obv: Diademed head of Zeus right wearing Horn of Ammon.
    Rx: ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ. 2 Eagles standing left on thunderbolt, heads left, wings closed; in field left: single cornucopia; no letters between legs.
    Svoronos 1426; Cf. SG 7901.

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    Ptolemy IX, 116-106 BC.
    Æ 23mm, 7.09g, 12h. Mint of Alexandria
    Obv: Laureate head of Zeus Ammon right.
    Rx: ΠTOΛEMAIOY BAΣIΛEΩΣ. Two eagles standing left on thunderbolt, heads left, wings closed; in field, Headdress of Isis; no control between legs. Sv 1843

    You need to keep in mind, however, that a lot of very serious numismatic scholarship has gone into updating Svoronos' 100+ year old reference in recent years (Katheryn Lorber, among others doing a lot of the work) and the exact reign(s) date-range(s) with which various types are associated. Ptolemaic coins are not able to be pinned quite as easily to the issuing monarch as Roman or more modern royal series with portraits of the current king, and types may be stretched over several reigns - or several types my be subsumed within the same reign. My cataloging above (copied and pasted from my gallery site) may already be obsolete.
    If you don't know about it, I would suggest you have a look at Daniel Wolfe's Ptolemy Bronze website - seems like every time I check the photo file, there have been a lot more varieties added to the older divisions and many more temporal and locational divisions of type-groups are shown.
    http://ptolemybronze.com/
     
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