[Game] World Coins Time Machine… Counting Backward by Year! (Plus Prize Coin)

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  1. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    c1408-Edward VI 1551 3oz shilling i.m.Lion.jpg Edward VI 3oz 2dwt debased issue 1551 shilling, mm. Lion
     
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  3. talerman

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    This type was also struck in Goslar without a mint mark but, according to Davenport, only from 1552-1555
     
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  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Finally, I can get back in:happy:

    AV Dukat 1551 Danzig Mint
    Sigismund II August of Poland
    Danzig 65b5fdeb357be5337bd4088ba67e1cbf.jpg
     
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  5. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Here are two from me for 1551

    Germany STOLBERG Joint Issue of Wolfgang,Ludwig II, Heinrich X (or XXI - the family used different numbering systems), Albrecht Georg & Christoph I (1538-52) Reichstaler 1551 (date overstruck on 1550)
    Rare type with stag facing right rather than left

    Stolberg Unpublished Taler 1551 obv 265.jpg Stolberg Unpublished Taler 1551 rev 266.jpg

    FRANCE Henri II Douzain aux croissants 1551 Marseille mint



    France Henri II Douzain aux croissants 1551 &M Marseille obv 402.jpg France Henri II Douzain aux croissants 1551 &M Marseille rev 405.jpg
     
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  6. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice Stolberg Reichstaler! I have several AV Dukaten from there. Maybe a 1/8 Dukat by Jan. 15th. from upcoming auction.
     
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  7. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Best of luck on January 15 !
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I will keep you posted....
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    BTW, I won that 1556 denar, not that it helped the game after all. :rolleyes:

    Here's 1550.

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  10. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    A 1549 Edward VI 6oz, 80 grain shilling mm.Arrow, the reverse struck over G, the G signifying the dies were originally intended for use at York under the mintmaster George Gale, but never actually used, no coins of this type being known for the mint. Typically horrible for these debased issues.
    c1357 Ed.VI 1549 mm.Arrow over G.jpg
     
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  11. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Another 1549 shilling, this time the earlier and unpopular 8oz, 60 grain issue which was rapidly superseded by the type in the previous post. Again sporting the arrow mintmark signifying it was struck at the Tower mint, the legends on this coin are transposed. Normally the monarch's name and titles are shown on the obverse along with the portrait, with the reverse reserved for the religious or other motto. C1315-1549 shilling transposed legends.jpg
     
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  12. panzerman

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  13. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Great examples of what was happening to English coinage at that time
     
  14. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    1550 Switzerland SCHAFFHAUSEN Etschkreuzer

    Schaffhausen Etschkreuzer 1550 obv 086.jpg Schaffhausen Etschkreuzer 1550 rev 091.jpg


    1549 ( & 1552 !) BRANDENBURG IN FRANCONIA/ SALZBURG Crude counterfeit mule Taler probably struck in the Balkans. Obverse copied from Albrecht Alcibiades, Duke of Brandenburg in Franconia, Taler (Dav. 8969) but bust facing right instead of left. Reverse copied from obverse of Guldiner of Ernst of Bavaria, Archbishop of Salzburg (Dav.8168).

    Brand in Franc 1549 & Salzburg 1552 forged mule Taler obv 702.jpg Brand in Franc 1549 & Salzburg 1552 forged mule Taler rev 703.jpg
     
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  15. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    That Duke of Brandenburg-Franconia looks like someone I would not pick a fight with, looks intimidating......
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Indeed, he looks like he could put a stompin' on you. :nailbiting:
     
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  17. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Plus he is all decked out in armor to do just that:inpain: And carries a large sword, probably a battle axe too.
     
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  18. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    You are absolutely right. Albrecht Alcibiades was a warloving thug. Here is his Wikipedia bio:

    Albert II (German: Albrecht; 28 March 1522 – 8 January 1557) was the Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach(Brandenburg-Bayreuth) from 1527 to 1553. He was a member of the Franconian branch of the House of Hohenzollern. Because of his bellicose nature, Albert during his lifetime was given the cognomen Bellator ("the Warlike"). Posthumously, he became known as Alcibiades

    Albert was born in Ansbach and, losing his father Casimir in 1527, he came under the guardianship of his uncle George, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach, a strong adherent of Protestantism. In 1541, he received Bayreuth as his share of the family lands, but as the chief town of his principality was Kulmbach, he is sometimes referred to as the Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach. His restless and turbulent nature marked him out for a military career; and having collected a small band of soldiers, he assisted Emperor Charles V in his war with France in 1543.[1]

    The Peace of Crépy in September 1544 deprived him of this employment, but he won a considerable reputation, and when Charles was preparing to attack the Schmalkaldic League, he took pains to win Albert's assistance.[1]

    Sharing in the attack on the Electorate of Saxony, Albert was taken prisoner at Rochlitz in March 1547 by Elector John Frederick of Saxony, but was released as a result of the Emperor's victory at the Battle of Mühlberg in the succeeding April.[1]

    He then followed the fortunes of his friend Elector Maurice of Saxony, deserted Charles, and joined the league which proposed to overthrow the Emperor by an alliance with King Henry II of France.[1]

    He took part in the subsequent campaign, but when the Peace of Passau was signed in August 1552 he separated himself from his allies and began a crusade of plunder in Franconia,[1] which led to the Second Margrave War.

    Having extorted a large sum of money from the citizens of Nuremberg, he quarrelled with his supporter, the French King, and offered his services to the Emperor.[1] Charles, anxious to secure such a famous fighter, gladly assented to Albert's demands and gave the imperial sanction to his possession of the lands taken from the bishops of Würzburg and Bamberg; and his conspicuous bravery was of great value to the Emperor on the retreat from the Siege of Metz in January 1553.[1]

    When Charles left Germany a few weeks later, Albert renewed his depredations in Franconia. These soon became so serious that a league was formed to crush him, and Maurice of Saxony led an army against his former comrade.[1] The rival forces met at Sievershausen on 9 July 1553, and after a combat of unusual ferocity Albert was put to flight. Henry, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, then took command of the troops of the league, and after Albert had been placed under the imperial ban in December 1553 he was defeated by Duke Henry, and compelled to flee to France.[1] He there entered the service of Henry II of France and had undertaken a campaign to regain his lands when he died at Pforzheim on 8 January 1557.[1]
     
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  19. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that Talerman.....learned some more interesting historical facts:happy: How any kid can find history boring has to have a few lost marbles!

    I have a dated 1516 Goldgulden from Brandenburg-Franconia with Margraves Casimir and Georg Der Fromme/ from Schwabach Mint. Have to wait a few more years to post it here.:) And also one from 1499!
     
  20. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Can't edit, so apologies are due. Should read George Gale, not Thomas. I was trying to multi-task reading about Thomas Knight (under-treasurer at the Tower) at the same time. Mea culpa.
     
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  21. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the information and for taking the trouble to correct this minor error. Confusion about Mr. Gale apparently goes back a long way. In Forrer's Biographical Dictionary of Medallists (1904) I find:

    Gale, George: Mint-master at York, 1542-1553. His initials stylized T-like G G are met with on a shilling of Edward VI (Rud.IX,10). Hawkins adds "TG are said to be the initials of Thomas Gale, Mint-master at York; but this is a mistake, for that officer's name was George". It is more likely that the monogram has been misread.
     
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