Barber Liberty Head Nickel... Fake? Variant?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Aslanmia, Jan 25, 2008.

  1. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    Hi folks,

    I bought a roll of Barber Liberty Head nickels awhile back and today I decided to take a closer look at them before I sell them off. They're well worn... all in either G or VG and dated between 1895 and 1912.

    Now here's the thing... one of the 1905's looks completely out of place. It appears to be made of a different type of metal then all the others.

    The thickness of most of the nickels averages around 1.6 mm, but this one is a fatty at 2.3 mm. Weight-wise, most of the nickels average around 4.7 grams while this one is a heafty 6.63 grams.

    Is it a fake? A variant? Can anyone offer some insight?

    I'd post a pic, but it's really not worth it... all the nickels are worn so much, any real detail is a thing of the past.
     
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  3. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    A pic would still be nice (a comparison pic)

    but aside from that, all I have to say is that its not called a Barber Nickel, its typically referred to as a Liberty Nickel, or a V Nickel :)
     
  4. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    Oops, my bad... I'm a Canadian and not long into collecting... I'll get the hang of it eventually. ;)

    I'll take a pic for comparison give me 5... lol
     
  5. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector


    ah the old "Im Canadian" excuse... lol

    but yeah, you'd be surprised what people can tell from a picture!
     
  6. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

  7. Magman

    Magman U.S. Money Collector

    Looks legit to me... whats wrong with it though, I have no idea.
    Someone else may know...
     
  8. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    Just discovered something else about the coin...

    According to what I've read, V nickels all had a plain edge. Well, this coin appears to have traces of a reeded edge although now it is quite smooth.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Could be a fake, could be a wrong planchet error. Could be a lot of things.
     
  10. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Could you take a pic of the edge?

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  11. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member


    Here's the best I could do.

    It's easier to see it in person, but I think you can see it clearly on the right side of the image. At first glance I thought it was writing.

    http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/donna.penney/coins/Reeding.jpg
     
  12. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    it's not cast is it?
     
  13. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member


    I'm not sure how to tell that, to be honest...
     
  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    It looks like a contemporary counterfeit.

    Now, that is the good news.
    Original fakes are worth more than low grade V-nickels, to a collector.
    Nice find, and good eye.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Agred it is a contemporary counterfeit probably made of a lead alloy. (A lead coin of the same size as the V nickel would weigh 6.4 grams. Since yours is a little thicker that would account fro the extra .2 grams.) And it is worth more than the genuine coin, to a collector of counterfeits.
     
  16. Coinlover

    Coinlover The Coin Collector

    pretty neat you got a counterfiet v nickel. :D 5 cents was alot of money back in 1905, you have to remember.
     
  17. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    The reeded edge still confuses me though... would they sometimes make counterfiets from other coins? It's hard to imagine it being worth the trouble to turn one coin into a nickel. :)

    Yes, it was a very cool find and really easy to pick out when you have 39 REAL liberty nickels around it! Too bad it's not in better shape though...
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Everybody says that. But think about it, they are, or rather were, making these fakes to spend them. And they could make one for 1 or 2 cents. That means for every fake they had a 300% - 400% profit.

    If you could make something and sell it for 400% profit what would you do ?
     
  19. mike98024

    mike98024 Senior Member

    "If you could make something and sell it for 400% profit what would you do ?"

    Well, I would send production to a developing nation where labor costs are lower, negotiate better shipping terms, and buy off a few politicians and have the practice legalized under free trade statutes. Try to get that margin up to 6-700% or so...:)
     
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