Constantius II and Vetranio

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  1. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    In A.D. 350, Constans was murdered by troops loyal to Magnentius, who was promptly proclaimed Emperor. Magnentius then had his brother, Decentius, declared Caesar.

    Meanwhile, Constantius II was in the East, battling the king of Persia. Constantia, the daughter of Constantine the Great and sister of Constantius II, feared for her life. She approached Vetranio, an aging but popular, general from Moesia, and encouraged him to proclaim himself Emperor in an effort to counter the danger posed to her and her family by Magnentius. Vetranio did just that, and minted coins in both his own name and in the name of Constantius II in Siscia and Thessalonica.

    Constantia's safety was soon in jeopardy again, as Magnentius began making overtures to Vetranio, seeking an alliance against Constantius II, to which Vetranio soon agreed. About this time, however, Constantius II returned from the East and confronted Vetranio, who promptly capitulated, prostrating himself before Constantius II and begging his forgiveness. Forgiveness was granted, and Vetranio was allowed to retire and live the last few years of his life in relative peace.

    This little intrigue, grossly abbreviated above, makes a fun little collecting subset. Some of my examples are in pretty rough shape, but here they are:

    Two coins in the name of Constantius II minted by Vetranio:
    ConstantiusII2.jpg
    1) AE2 of Constantius II, minted by Vetranio
    Siscia mint, A.D. 350
    Ric 284
    Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG - A behind bust; star in front.
    Rev: CONCORDIA MILITVM - Emperor, standing, facing left, holding a laborum in each hand; star above. A in left field.
    [dot]ΔSIS[dot] in exergue.

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    2) AE3 of Constantius II, also minted by Vetranio
    Siscia mint, A.D. 350
    Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG
    Rev: HOC SIG-NO VICTOR ERIS - Emperor, standing, facing left, holding labarum (standard with Chi-Rho) being crowned by Victory
    [dot]ΓSIS[star] in exergue; A in left field
    RIC 291
    21mm, 3.8g.

    In the name of Vetranio:
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    AE3
    Thessalonica mint, A.D. 350
    Obv: D N VETRAN-IO P F AVG
    Rev: VIRTVS EXERCITVM - Emperor, standing, facing left, holding labarum (standard with Chi-Rho) and resting hand on shield
    TESA in exergue
    RIC 138
    18x20mm, 1.4g

    The usurper, Magnentius:
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    AE2
    Aquileia mint, A.D. 351-353
    Obv: D N MAGNEN-TIVS P F AVG
    Rev: VICTORIAE DD NN AVG ET CAES - Two Victories, facing each other, holding shield inscribed VOT/V/MVLT/X in four lines
    AQP in exergue
    RIC 167
    23x21mm, 4.0g.

    His brother and Caesar, Decentius:
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    AE2
    Arles mint, A.D. 351-353
    Obv: D N DECENTI-VS CAESAR
    Rev: VICTORIAE DD NN AVG ET CAES - Two Victories, facing each other, holding shield inscribed VOT/V/MVLT/X in four lines
    FSAR in exergue
    RIC 168
    21-24mm, 4.5g

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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Those are some nice bronzes, congrats.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I have a few Constantius II coins from Siscia. Here are the two most photogenic. Both GLOR-IA EXERC-ITVS Types.

    As Caesar:

    Constantius II as Caesar Siscia.jpg
    As Augustus:
    Constantius II Siscia Centenionalis.jpg
     
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's my Vetranio:

    vetranio1.jpg

    vetranio2.jpg
     
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  6. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Still need a Vetranio and new photos.
    ri209.jpg
    Constantius II
    350 AD
    AE Centenionalis
    Mint: Siscia
    Obvs: DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG. Diademed, draped, and cuirass bust right. * behind, H before
    Revs: HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS, H to left. Emperor standing left with labarum inscribed with Chi-Rho, being crowned by Victory.
    20x21mm, 5.04g
    RIC VIII 291

    ri164.jpg
    Constantius II
    350 AD
    AE Centenionalis
    Mint: Siscia
    Obvs: DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG. Diademed, draped, and cuirass bust right. A left, * right
    Revs: CONCORDIA MILITVM, Emperor with two Chi Rho banners. A left, ЄSIS
    21x23mm, 4.1g
    RIC VIII 289
     
  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I don't have anything from Vertranio, but here is everyone else mentioned.

    A favorite Constans...

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    My Favorite Magnentius (I only have 2)...

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    I have a ton of Constantius II coins, but here is a fav...


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  8. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer


    You have an example with the "awkwardly engraved Alexandrian armour"

    Note the top of the cuirass under the chin. On right facing busts, the curved part rests against the back of the neck.

    Constantius II hut FEL TEMP from Alex_ - www.lateromanbronzecoinforum.png
     
  9. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Interesting write up and some great coins gsimonel, I have one of Constantius II in his early days as Caesar. 12312.jpg
    Constantius II, AE3, 329,Arles/ Constantina, Officina 1
    FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C
    Laureate, draped, cuirassed bust left
    VIRTVS-CAESS
    Campgate with six rows, four turrets, open doors with three panels, each with two pellets, star above, top row arches and pellets in blocks, bottom rows empty blocks
    T | F across fields
    PCONST in exergue
    20mm x 3.5g
    RIC VII, 335 (R4)
     
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

  11. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    It doesn't look as awkward to me as backward. It really makes me think that there were people at the mint dedicated to doing the armor whom then handed it off to someone doing the portrait (or vice versa). And the individual doing the portrait didn't pay attention, putting the head facing opposite of the direction the armor is facing. Great "error" coin! Thanks for sharing it.
     
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  12. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    No Vetranio and only few presentable coins from this period in my collection, since it's not really my area. Yet, I still see a photo-story opportunity here! (Those of you who were kids in the 90s will remember photo-stories.)

    Here is Constans (RIC VIII, Siscia 185,G), thinking no evil and hanging out with the Victories,...

    Constans RIC VIII Siscia 185 G.png

    ...when Magnentius (RIC VIII, Trier 271,S) backstabs him and has him murdered on a hunting trip to France in 350 AD.

    Magnentius RIC VIII Trier  271 S.png

    Constantius II (RIC VIII, Sirmium 48), understandably angry after his brother's death, goes to war against Magnentius. He defeats him at Mursa in 351 AD and at the Mons Seleucus in 353 AD. Magnentius, after having lost everything, commits suicide – 'happy times are restored'.

    Constantius II Reistersturz RIC VIII Sirmium 48.png
     
  13. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Yes, it is backwards...I only used the word "awkward" as an alliteration.

    a quote about this from a few years ago--

    "The first coin below has an unusual cuirass. Constantius II is actually wearing it backwards. The curving part at the front of his neck should actually be at the back of his neck. I have seen a few other examples like this, but none to this extent. It seems that the engraver did not really understand what he was engraving...perhaps merely copying a right facing bust."
     
  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CONSTANTIUS II

    RI Poemenius in name of Constantius II summer 353 Trier XP RIC VIII Trier 332 RARE.jpg
    RI Poemenius in name of Constantius II summer 353 Trier XP RIC VIII Trier 332 RARE

    RI Constantius II 337-361 CE AE 2 Soldier spearing downed horseman.jpg
    RI Constantius II 337-361 CE AE 2 Soldier spearing downed horseman


    VETRANIO

    RI Vetranio 350 CE AE3 17mm Siscia mint Emp stdng hldg Standard and Spear.jpg
    RI Vetranio 350 CE AE3 17mm Siscia mint Emp stdng hldg Standard and Spear
    Ex: @seth77
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    MAGNENTIUS

    RI Magnentius 351-352 CE AE 1 CHI RHO.jpg
    RI Magnentius 351-352 CE AE 1 CHI RHO


    CONSTANS

    upload_2018-12-4_14-28-19.png
    RI Constans 337-350 Æ Follis 22mm 3.9g Heraclea CE 348-351 holding globe - FEL TEMP REPARATIO soldier spear leads figure from hut
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    There is a dangerous fake Vetranio making the rounds. I bought one which I later returned but in the meantime I sold my previous Vetranio so now I have none.
    rx7170fake1265.jpg
     
  17. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    The above coin is the authentic one you sold or the dangerous fake? I’m guessing the sold coin... Do you have a photo of the fake?
     
  18. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    it's a fake.

    below are some more

    Vetranio.JPG

    Vetranio Hoc Signo Victor Eris Siscia modern fake composite.jpg
     
  19. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

  20. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I have no Vetranio, but here is my latest Constantius. Sort of inspired by @randygeki's shields. :)
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  21. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Ah! So it's Constantius II's fault, not the engravers!

    Great coins, everyone. Thanks for the heads-up about the fake. I wasn't aware of it.
     
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