When You Buy a Coin Because of the Portrait

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Still love this one... from the era of scrappy coins... Quintillus with a sweet handlebar mustache and sideburns:
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    From the old beards and mustaches thread.
     
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  3. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    I have a nice variety of Macrinus portraits but this one is my favourite -
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Looks like the engravers used a Caracalla portrait, which makes sense because they might not have seen Marcrinus or any Imperial coin portraits of him.
     
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  5. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Real, and they were Skythian. See The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women across the Ancient World by Adrienne Mayor.

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  6. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    I've always liked this sensitive Faustina Jr. portrait. I assume it's closer to "real life" than her more often-seen, pleasant but bland and "epitomized" portrait.
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    More typically she's shown like this:
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    Of course this might lead into a discussion of whose "normal representation" was typically the most attractive woman's portrait (to modern eyes) on a Roman coin

    A lot of folks say Crispina:[​IMG]
    sorry I don't have a spiffier specimen, but you can get an overall impression

    Although Lucilla was also portrayed in a pretty attractive manner on many of her coins:
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    Seems like the Antonines had some attractive women among them -and some decently talented engravers.
     
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  7. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    With so many amazing coins, I shouldn't show my favorite. :shy: Maybe I should start collecting something else, like bottle caps? pocket knives ? But before I make a decision about what to collect, this is my favorite of the ones I have, and of course it is Augustus :)

    Denarius, Rome, 16 BC, L. Mescinius Rufus, moneyer
    17 mm, 3.55 g
    Ref.: RIC 351
    Obverse: Laureate head right
    Reverse: L MESCINI – VS RVFVS Mars, helmeted and cloaked, holding spear and parazonium, standing l. on pedestal inscribed S P Q R / V PR RE / CAES

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  8. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    I just purchased this Julia Domna denarius from Forum Ancient Coins because it was love at first sight. The reverse isn't great, and the obverse legend was done over a stiff drink, but the portrait knocked me out of my seat. This coin was minted when she was about 43 years old, two years after Septimius Severus had died and Caracalla had killed Geta, so she had been through a lot by this time, but still looks noble and dignified.

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    JULIA DOMNA, SILVER DENARIUS, ROME MINT, 213AD
    Obverse: IVLIA PIA FELIX AVG
    Reverse: VESTA
    RIC IV C390, RSC III 230, BMCRE V C29, Hunter III C10, SRCV II 7108
    Ex Jyrki Muona Collection
     
  9. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Awesome coins !
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Most, though admittedly not all, of my ancient coin purchases have been based on the portraits.

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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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  13. Numisnewbiest

    Numisnewbiest Well-Known Member

    Thank you, TIF!
     
  14. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    @Orange Julius great Movember Quintillus!
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Newmisnewbiest's late Domna is a fine portrait of the period. I want to show a sestertius of the same time that has a really strange treatment of the eye. It reminds me of the old style tetradrachms of Athens with almond eye. It might be going too far to question whether the die cutter was aware of those then 700 year old coins but I do believe that there were some artists worthy of our study working at the Severan mint. Double striking ruined the reverse on this one but the die can be found on high grade coins.
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  16. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    I didn't have time for this thread last week, but portraits, yes, that's top of the list for me. Here are some.

    This coin decorated my desk for twenty years before I even started collecting. A bronze drachm of Ptolemy IV, issued in Alexandria between 221 and 205 BC. A huge coin of 40 mm and 67 gr. The bearded portrait belongs to Zeus, the supreme Greek god.

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    Agrippa, died 12 BC, but here honored by his grandson, the emperor Gaius Caligula, 37-41 AD. An as of 25 mm, weighing 14.5 gr.

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    Julia Domna, a denarius I bought from CNG, but it is from the estate of coin seller Tom Cederlind, who had a great eye for great portraits. Rev. Luna, cloak billowing around her head, in biga drawn by horses on ground line, to the left, LVNA LVCIFERA [meaning Moon, the Light Bearer]. 18 mm, 2.85 gr.

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    This is Constantinus II as caesar, a coin issued under his father Constantine the Great in AD 320, in Siscia, province Illyria (now Croatia). Constantine as a boy, laureate, draped, and cuirassed looking left, holding Victory on globe and mappa. 18 mm, 2.31 gr.

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    TWO great idealistic portraits on this bronze of Laodicea ad Mare, now Latakia in Syria. To the left, the emperor Domitian, to the right is the city protecting goddess, usually called Tyche. But I suppose you might call her Laodicea, too. 25 mm, 11.23 gr.

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  17. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    And don't forget the barbs: this is a beautiful, early, fourré Celtic imitation of the Philip II tetradrachm. Early third century BC, 24.5 mm, 13.85 gr.

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    A Sasanid silver drachm of king Kavad I, his first reign (488-496 AD). 28 mm, 4.02 gr.

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    A Later Nezak billon drachm, Kabul, possibly around 665 AD. Obv. Male bust r., crowned with a buffalo’s head on a large crescent, its muzzle into the crescent. Two ribbons pointing upward attached to the necklace. Text Nycky Mlka right. Rev. Fire altar with two attendants with staves or plant stalks, two wheels above their heads. 24 mm, 3.04 gr.

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    And although I'm only collecting ancient and medieval coins, I couldn't leave this splendid Baroque portrait alone. It's a medal of Pope Clement X, sculpted by Alberto Hamerani. It's from the year 1670. On the reverse you see Christ washing Saint Peter's feet.

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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh. I forgot this giraffe-necked Crispina.

    An affordable sestertius. I loved it.

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  19. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i was bidding on a Probus coin just for the that reason melord...for the neck of it!:rolleyes:
     
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  20. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Well, there are different reasons for buying a coin because of the portrait:

    I bought this one, although it is a fourrée, because I found it expressive. It remains, and likely will remain, one of my favourite acquisitions of 2018:

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    Artaxerxes II – Darius III, Achaemenid Empire, fourrée siglos, ca. 375–336 BC. Obv: Great King kneeling left, holding dagger and bow, three pellets on chest. Rev: irregular punch. 14.4mm, 4.92g. Ref: Carradice 1987, type IV C (prototype).

    I bought this one because it is gorgeous and the portrait strongly resembles someone close to me:

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    Faustina the Younger, Roman Empire, sestertius, ca. 161–164 AD, Rome mint. Obv: [F]AVSTINA AVGV[STA], diademed portrait right. Rev: IV[NONI] REGINAE, S-C, Iuno standing left with patera and sceptre, peacock left. 30mm, 27g. Ref: RIC III, 1651.


    And finally, I bought this one because it is so unusually and incredibly hideous. I mean, look at it. The eye. The nose. The mouth. The oversized cheek. Licinius junior truly looks like an alien who just had their wisdom teeth taken out. This portrait has crossed the line of ugliness where things start to once more become appealing. Something tells me that the engraver of this obverse die (a recent thread established his name to have been Kevin) might have been forced to think about alternative career paths soon after this was struck.

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    Licinius II, Roman Empire, AE3, 317–320 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, laureate and draped bust left, holding mappa, globe, and sceptre. Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory on globe and sceptre, captive at feet left, delta in right field. 18mm, 2.82g. Ref: RIC VII, 29 delta. Ex Warren Esty.
     
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  21. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    My favorite coin portrait would have to be this as of Claudius that I got in a Nomos Auction, which was my first auction house purchase. I only hope it isn't tooled, but it doesn't seem too suspicious. The reverse is a bit nicer than the picture leads to believe, too.

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    AE As of Claudius, minted 50-54 AD at Rome. 29mm, 10.94g, RIC 116, ex Nomos Obolos 8
    Obverse:
    TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP PP, bare bust left
    Reverse: SC across field, Minerva advancing right, brandishing shield and javelin
     
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