Sort of disappointing win

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  1. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I put a low bid on this Nemausus As because I thought it was a variant of COL NEM as COL NM. I’d seen the COL NIM variety sold by @John Anthony so figured there could be other types. Winning the coin was fine but I lost out on all the other better coins I bid on so this coin cost me overseas shipping with no other coins to share the postage. Even worse, before I’d even won the coin I noticed that the E was ligate with the N so it’s just a low grade specimen with nothing really unusual about it. Share your disappointing wins or nicer crocs.

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    Gallia, Nemausus Octavian as Augustus, 27 BC – 14 AD As circa 27 BC, Æ 25mm., 11.57g. Head. of Agrippa and Augustus back to back, the former wearing combined rostral crown and laurel wreath, the latter wearing an oak wreath. Rev. Crocodile chained to palm branch, wreath tied to palm. RPC 522. RIC I 154.
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I feel your pain. Losing all except one inexpensive secondary target wreaks havoc on the total cost of the coin :(. I've experienced that a few times.

    My first COL NEM was a surprise inclusion in a group lot of Ptolemaic bronzes. My second is a nicer example. It's tempting to get more of them. Doug has a nice page on the trouble with grading these, showing how you have to pick what you can and can't live with.

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    Augustus & Agrippa
    Gaul, Nemausus, c. CE 10-14
    AE dupondius
    Obv: IMP/DIVI F P-P, back-to-back heads of Agrippa, in combined rostral crown & laurel wreath, and Augustus, laureate
    Rev: COL-NEM, long, vertical palm with crocodile chained below, wreath to left of palm tip with ties trailing to right
    Ref: RIC 160
    ex Professor James R. Eaton Collection (1834-1897)

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    Augustus & Agrippa
    struck c. 10 BCE - CE 10, Nemausus
    AE dupondius
    Obv: IMP/DIVI F, back-to-back heads of Agrippa, in combined rostral crown & laurel wreath, and Augustus, laureate
    Rev: COL - NEM; palm tree, top bent top right with a wreath above; crocodile chained to palm tree
    Ref: RIC 158; AMC 425; Cohen 10; RPC 524
    From the collection of a Man of the Cloth, now giving up the pursuit; acquired in the 1990s
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Maybe give it to a newbie for x-mas or contest giveaway.

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    Augustus, with Agrippa (27. B.C. 14 A.D.)
    GAUL, Nemausus
    Æ As
    O: Heads of Agrippa left, wearing rostral crown and laurel wreath, and Augustus right, wearing oak wreath, back to back. IMP above, DIVI F below.
    R: Crocodile right chained to palm branch with long vertical fronds; above, wreath with long ties, palms below; COL NEM flanking vertical palm.
    Nemausus mint, 9-3 B.C
    10.26g
    27mm
    RPC I 524; RIC 1 158
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah, I feel your pain OP. Getting cut out of every coin except an "also ran" really kicks you in the teeth both from the loss of the better coins bid on along with the sting of overpriced postage. I hate this so much I try to not place "also ran" bids until I am sure I have a good winner from an overseas auction. Problem is, there are always coins you WISH you had bid on if you KNEW you would win the later lot...
     
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    That's too bad. But I've been in the same boat before.
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    On a positive note, though, @H8_modern , RIC considers the ligate NE type to be rare (#157) or scarce (#161).

    Here's my croc (the more common one with two wreaths and no ligature between N and E):

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    Augustus with Agrippa, 27 BC - AD 14.
    Roman Æ as, 12.99 g, 26.3 mm, 4 h.
    Nemausus, after 16/15 BC.
    Obv: IMP/DIVI F, heads back to back of Augustus, right, bare, and Agrippa, left, wearing rostral crown.
    Rev: COL-NEM to left and right of palm shoot, its tip to right, behind chained crocodile; two wreaths above palm tip.
    Refs: RIC 155; RPC 523; Cohen 7; AMC 411; RCV 1729.
    Notes: Sear (p. 338) notes this initial revival of the Nemausian series on a lighter weight standard is probably to be associated with Augustus' visit to Gaul in 16 BC.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice job @H8_modern ! I consider ANY coin win, a WIN!!! :)

    My Croc Dupondius:

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    RI Augustus oak crown Agrippa rostral crown L AE Dupondius 26mm 12.6g 10-14CE Nemausus chained Croc snake wreaths RIC I 158
     
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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Still a nice coin! And the ligature is a neat variant to have, IMHO.

    My COL-NIM:

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    AUGUSTUS and AGRIPPA
    AE As. 12.0g, 26.4mm. GAUL, Nemasus, circa 20-10 BC. RIC I 156. O: IMP/DIVI•F•, head of Agrippa left, wearing combined rostral crown and laurel wreath, bare head of Augustus right. R: COL-NIM, crocodile right chained to palm branch, wreath above, palm fronds below.
     
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  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Not a bad coin at all IMO

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    Augustus & Agrippa, AE halved dupondius
    Nemausus mint, after 10 BC
    3rd type
    [IM]P [DI]VI F , Laureate head of Augustus right
    [COL NEM], Crocodile chained to palm tree
    6.70 gr
    Ref : RCV #1730, Cohen # 10


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    Augustus & Agrippa, AE Dupondius - *
    Nemausus mint, after AD 10
    4th type
    IMP DIVI F PP, Laureate heads of Augustus and Agrippa back to back
    COL NEM, Crocodile chained to palm tree
    12.84 gr
    Ref : RCV #1731, Cohen #8


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    Augustus & Agrippa, AE Dupondius
    Nemausus mint, after AD 10
    4th type
    IMP DIVI F PP, Laureate heads of Augustus looking right and Agrippa looking left, back to back
    COL NEM, Crocodile chained to palm tree
    13,52 gr
    Ref : RCV #1731, Cohen #8

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  11. AngelDeath

    AngelDeath Well-Known Member

    This is similar but Julius and Oct. IMG_3643.JPG
     
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