Recent versions of PCGS Holders.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by MeowtheKitty, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    WIN_20181111_02_14_18_Pro.jpg Hello, Meow has bought a few graded PCGS coins and noticed that the holders are not exactly alike. Meow has seen the museum of holders at the PCGS site, but was wondering if anyone had any other information or opinions about the these two. What Meow has noticed was that the older one weights approximately 3 grams more, and has a bluer tint to the plastic. Meow would doubt there would be in any value difference between the two newer generation holders; but is there a chance there is a difference in value?
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Any difference in value will be in the coins, not the holder.
     
  4. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Pics or no whiskas for Meow.
     
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  5. MeowtheKitty

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    Oops, Meow forgot to add the image.
     
  6. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow thinks there might be. But Meow has heard that blue ANACS holders get little respect, but the yellow ones are a bit better; And the little white ones are most liked as far as ANACS holders. So Meow is wondering if PCGS and NGC might have a similar opinions in regard to their holder types.
     
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  7. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    Buy the coin, never the holder.
     
  8. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Yes, But what about what Meow heard about ANACS holders types. Exact same coin (Not possible but for the sake of the question) in the three holder types, and the buyer would say you think "Just give me any one"?
     
  9. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    I'm the wrong person to ask this question. I prefer raw coins to any holder. I refuse to pay grading fees. Since I only collect for myself, and care less about the investment side, I buy what I like and collect for fun.
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Meow - based on the tone of your post it kinda sounds like you're thinking about playing the crackout game. Well, a word of warning - while knowledgeable collectors and dealers can do that, and in point of fact they do it all the time and very effectively, if you don't have that requisite knowledge you'll not be very successful at it.

    With big dealers and large auction companies the highest paid employees they have are what they call buyers. And all the big companies have them, usually several. Their sole job is to travel to auctions and coin shows and cherry pick coins. Then they buy them, crack them out and resubmit them for grading. And almost without exception the coins are upgraded. And they do this day after day after day. And they have done it for as long as the TPGs have existed. It generates a continuous and rather high stream of income for the companies. The thing you have to realize is this, these buyers, they are the best, the very best, there are at doing this.

    Because they have been doing it for so long, and because other dealers and collectors play the same game and always have, between all of these people doing it the coins in previous generations of slabs tend to disappear rather quickly. And the ones that are left, the ones still out there, well most of them were overgraded to begin with so if resubmitted the odds of them upgrading is rather slim. These coins will basically stay in their present holders until the next time the TPGs loosen their standards even further. Then, they too will be upgraded.

    Bottom line, the average collector has a slim to none chance of success for a couple of reasons. One, he does not have the knowledge he needs. And two, somebody has almost always already been there before you ever saw the coins.
     
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  11. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    That makes sense. Good to know, thanks.
     
  12. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Well, Meow was thinking one day to see if a coin or two would crossover to PCGS. If Meow knew a submitter, and had a good candidate; Meow would try it at least once. But Meow does not knows any submitters'; and does not have a real strong test piece to be willing to spend to get it looked at for crossover.
     
  13. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    There may be a local coin shop to you that would submit coins on your behalf if you don't want a submission account yourself, but they will usually charge a fee to do this.
     
  14. angelo43

    angelo43 New Member

    Any of you think fake holders?
     
  15. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    That's a good idea too. If Meow ever gets a good candidate, Meow would consider that.
    But back to the original thread; What do you think about the generation of a holder? Like, maybe Meow would not like a OGH PCGS because it wont look uniform with the others. Or Maybe is given a choice one would choose the OGH for another reason.
     
  16. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    What these? They have clad quarters in them. Not worth faking anyway.
     
  17. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I don't like to pay for grading fees either, which is whyI buy a lot of coins already graded. Voila! No grading fees.
     
  18. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    "Recent versions of PCGS Holders."
    The answer is no.
     
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  20. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    @MeowtheKitty holder premiums (where the holder adds a significant amount to the price) are strong for only a few of the PCGS generations:

    1. White Label Rattlers (these are the first graded coins by PCGS and few are left remaining...not to be confused with the regular rattlers, which are popular but not too rare)

    2. Doily slabs...another generation that didn’t last too long

    3. Regency slabs...these were bigger holders and cost more to use at the time...they were unpopular and thus quickly canceled

    Note: rattlers and OGH are also popular but they only add a modest premium to generic coins (i.e. $5-$10 for a common date MS 63-64 Morgan)
     
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