1921 S MS RED What do you think?

I just won this coin. What do you think she will grade? I think it is a beautiful example of a 21 S Lincoln. Thanks Tom

 

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Whoa !!!! Nice !!!!

 

Touche, but I didn't want everybody to try and beat me out! =)

 

You outbid me for it. Don't worry, you and 11 others outbid me. Hope it is really as nice as it looks. Let us know when it shows.

 

I figured you were in on it too. Atleast I can send it back if it doesn't look right. I will post pictures of it to compare.

21 S's are usually found with MDS or LDS dies. This one looks like Early die state. Tom

 

Yep, it doesn't look like the die gap was set quite right yet.

Nice Coin !

 

IF original, it should go 64 red, not a mark on it but mushy strike. Pics show weak luster, going to be a theft or a return, could go either way depending on originality and how accurate the pictures are

 

Tom,

It is a nice 1921-S Lincoln and probably better than most! In fact, it is probably the cleanest (in respect to nicks, dents and scratches) that I ever seen. However, it is not a EDS (Early Die Stage) as the ghosting of Lincoln's bust showing on the Reverse, only happens after much use of the Die. At best, it might be a MDS but due to the mushiness and weak strike on the Reverse, I would suspect an LDS. I do believe that it may go a MS-63RD but doubt that it would go any higher as there appears to be compression (not wear) on Lincoln's cheek and hair above his' ear as well as on the right Wheat stalk.


Frank

 

Wow, great coin! Nice man. :thumb: I can see it getting a 64 R, not a half bad coin. A very nice addition to any collection, congrats! :thumb:

Phoenix

 

I do not think that the color is original on the piece. Maybe it's just the images, but I think it has been recolored.

This is really common on earlier Lincolns.

 

Hey guys...We need a courtesy system here, lol. Rlm, I know you always bid $1.11 when watching,

We each need a special bid amount signature that the others will recognise and not bid against if it is the " serious" bid signature, or go ahead if it is the " watch" bid signature.

I saw you on a few tonight Rlm, and it was not your standard $1.11, so I stayed away as to not war

If we now have 3 of us going after Lincolns all the time, why make each other pay more...some sort of courtesy code or something can work.

The 1923-S and 1926S PCGS 64RB's are ending this week, I hope to take at least one of them, but I will not get in the way of another coin talker, I have plenty, no need to be greedy, I'm sure I'll see a bunch in March at the ANA show, I can wait.

Any ideas?

 

Thats an Idea. Let me know whatyou guys decide on if you decide to go this route. Should a bid ending with .11 cents mean that your serious about getting that coin??? I was watching some nice Lincolns earlier, one in particular. A real nice 1914S that I had fallen in love with. I planned on trying for it until I noticed RLM had a bid on it. So I just watched to see how it ended. But I do most of my bidding right before the auctions end. The only time Ill set my max bid, is when I wont be able to be at the comp when the auction is going to end.

 

I doubt that you can get it to work. I generally have between 400 and 500 item in my "didn't win" section The only ones I will tell you for sure that I will not bid seriously on are nanceye913's expensive coins. I bid on them just to be amazed at how much he gets. Yes, I bid $1.11 on a lot of coins, but that is not always available and most any coin I bid on, I will gladly take IF THEY GO CHEAP ENOUGH. Obviously, most do not.

 

Be very careful discussing agreements not to bid against one another on a public forum like this. This may be considered collusion. (Ask any baseball owner if he has ever heard of collusion.) These kinds of discussions are best done in private.

Collusion to not bid against one another lowers the price a seller's item sells for and reduces the fees collected by eBay (boo hoo). I would imagine collusion (aka bid rigging) is against eBay's user policy.

From the New York Times

Bad Bidness

In the Sept. 3 column, the Ethicist told an art collector that accepting a proposal from a fellow collector to agree not to bid on the same prints in eBay auctions would be unethical. I agree. The Ethicist also reported a lawyer's advice that ''collusive bidding is illegal in the auction world,'' adding that it ''may not be illegal online -- Internet auctions are largely unregulated.'' But the federal antitrust laws apply to competition on Internet auctions as much as to physical auctions. Agreements between bidders not to bid against one another or to bid at certain prices are criminal violations of the Sherman Antitrust Act, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

Scott D. Hammond
Deputy Assistant Attorney General Antitrust Division
Department of Justice
Washington

 

Aha! and that is always my dilemma - of course, you could have just cut out the photo and asked what people's grading opinions were without hinting that it might be an ebay auction

 

rlm,

Have you noticed how many of this Seller's (by the way, you misspelled the Seller's ID but probably did so intentionally) Lincoln Cents appear to have a satin kind of look to them as well as the light Brown color sort of looks like a Cream Brown and just doesn't look right! I have a feeling that most of this Seller's Lincoln Cents have been cleaned, whizzed and recolored and have quit watching any and all of his' or her' (don't know if the Seller is a he or a she) Auctions.


Frank

 

Spelling = fumble fingers nancye913

Yes, I have noticed what his pictures look like. You can find a couple threads both here and other forums about him. In one case (and only one that I am aware of) he appears to have doctored a picture. Otherwise, it is his methodology for taking the photographs, not the coin. If the coin has been cleaned, he will say so.

 

Holoy Cow, never mind on that 26-
S, just looked up bid, yikes !!

 

And the 23-S is a whole $90 cheaper? My guess is the the 26-S will go for $4,000+ and the 23-S for ~$2,500. If you win, you had better enjoy at those prices.