A question about graded coins

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by MeowtheKitty, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow is a fairly new collector. And has bought examples of older coins, and various graded holders to have an example, and a general feel for them. Meow has a question about various graded coins. The question is, are all graded holders safe for permanent storage? Besides leaving a holder exposed to direct sunlight, will all holders keep a coin safe from degrading under normal temperatures and humidity? So besides leaving one out on the dashboard of ones car in the blazing sun, or storing it in a sauna; Does one need to pay any special attention to storing a graded coin? This including all versions and generations of PCGS, NGC, and ANACs holders?
     
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  3. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Slabs are not completely airtight, so gasses/moisture can still get in gradually. This is one of the reasons why NGC doesn't have an unlimited designation guarantee on RB or RD copper coins. They can darken in the slab.

    Slabs are very good protection for coins, but you still should keep them in a sealed temperature controlled environment with dessicant packs.
     
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I had an MS64 Type 1 slabbed. At the time my coins were in my gun safe with the gun cleaning chemicals. That Type 1 began growing a nasty black spunge that I attributed to the cleaning chemicals leaching from the guns in that gun safe. It was an NGC holder. I do not believe they are airtight at all.
     
  5. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Thanks, that is good to know. Meow was concerned about such issues. But that is too bad, that a graded holder is not permanent insurance for a coin. So it is very possible for a coin to have been accurately graded, yet over time become overgraded because of deterioration?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    About the only thing I would add to the comments that Jaelus made is that the same proper storage procedures apply to coins in any and all hard plastic coin holders. There is no such thing as a coin holder that will completely protect your coins. And none of them, absolutely none of them, are anywhere even close to being airtight !

    I've posted the details for proper coin storage more times than I can count. A search using that term - proper storage - and my user name will bring up more than most care to read.
     
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  7. BooksB4Coins

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Absolutely !

    Of course you also need to be aware that they are commonly, very commonly, grossly over-graded the when they are put into the various TPG slabs to begin with ! But that is an entirely different discussion.
     
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  9. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    That is unfortunate. What do you think about the long term storage of loose and OBW rolls in coin tubes? Are they any safer than the graded holders in your opinion?
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    The closest thing to an airtight slab is the newest PCGS one which is water resistant, but basically nothing on earth is truly airtight. The different companies and generations of slabs have various levels of protection and some are much much better than others.

    Possible yes, usually it's more of a color thing like a RD turns RB or RB turns BN.
     
  11. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Oh well, so much for feeling confident buying grading coins sight unseen. Meow heard that, that was one of the reasons for them coming up with graded coins in the first place. (Being able to buy sight unseen, by just the grade.)
     
  12. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Moisture is the big killer. I wrap my coins in a zip lock bag and then into a Tupperware box. My part of the country is quite humid.
     
  13. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow lives in a very humid place too, hence the concern.
     
  14. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    You put your coin rolls tubes in an additional two more steps or storage?
     
  15. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Only my nice coins get the extra treatment. My common stuff simply resides in tubes and boxes. I zip lock bag my coin albums and the costly slabbed stuff gets the double treatment at my house.
     
  16. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    Buying slabbed coins sight unseen has much greater problems than the potential that a coin has developed a problem while in the slab.

    Ignoring the problem of overgraded coins, you could have two correctly graded examples of the same coin where one is at the top of the grade (an A coin) and one is at the bottom of the grade (a C coin). Even further, you could have a technically high graded coin with drab toning and poor eye appeal.

    Having said that, sight unseen is frequently used to refer to seeing a photo of the coin but not being able to inspect the coin in person. In this way by seeing a photo and the grade on the slab, you can make a significantly better informed decision on buying a coin, based on how much you trust the TPG that slabbed it.
     
  17. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow will look that up. Thank you for your advice.
     
  18. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Thank you for explaining that.
     
  19. Taurus57

    Taurus57 Active Member

    Every storage method involves a micro-climate that seeks to contaminate the surfaces of a coin. Those micro-climates are always trying to migrate inward and the best we can do is to slow them down.
     
  20. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    True, A shiny piece of metal cannot be expected to be as lustrous forever, no matter how one tries.
     
  21. Robert91791

    Robert91791 Well-Known Member

    Your only solution is to purchase a Food Saver machine. This works 100%
     
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